Comments on: More Fun with Statistical +/- http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: fred f http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415&cpage=1#comment-33133 Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:11:16 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415#comment-33133 you cany make up stats that didnt exitss then goods work thoug

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By: Alex http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415&cpage=1#comment-14180 Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:44:08 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415#comment-14180 I think the rating needs to take into account who they are playing with when they are on the court, instead of just who is on the team with them. Because now, if you took a good player on the bench as the 6th man, and put him in when the majority of starters arn't, the team will still be doing poorly when he is in and well when he is not.

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By: SB http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415&cpage=1#comment-10098 Fri, 15 May 2009 21:10:22 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415#comment-10098 Thanks Neil,

One last question. Doesn't the model suffer from Omitted Variable Bias, (as does any basketball regression) since there is no proxy for individual defense. In that case, how can we take this as a reliable metric, if the model is misspecified.

And, how about using team defense as a proxy (albeit a very weak one) for individual defense.

I apologize if it appears I am questioning the validity of the model, I just don't get how you can run a reliable regression if one of the most important variables is missing. I can't imagine you'd get an R-squared above .65 without some sort of a proxy for defense.

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By: Neil Paine http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415&cpage=1#comment-10081 Fri, 15 May 2009 08:38:41 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415#comment-10081 I estimated their blocks/steals/turnovers/etc. from the rest of the stat line using an OLS regression formula from post-1978 players.

And look, I'm actually pretty happy Russell ranks that high (PER ranks him 89th all-time!!). It's sort of remarkable considering that the "intangible" things he did best aren't even picked up in today's boxscore, much less an incomplete, roughly-estimated version from almost 50 years ago (we have to estimate his blocks, for goodness' sake!). Basically, all the stuff Wilt excelled at was tracked back then; the stuff Russell excelled at wasn't.

Besides, I think the gap between the 2 as players has been overstated as the years have piled on (and I say this as a lifelong Celtics fan, btw). It's sort of like the thinking that causes Terry Bradshaw to be considered better than somebody like Fran Tarkenton because of a disparity in championships. I'm not necessarily saying Chamberlain was that much better, or even better at all, but you have to respect both players for their accomplishments and try to avoid the mythmaking that's been built up over the ensuing half-century.

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By: SB http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415&cpage=1#comment-10078 Fri, 15 May 2009 05:13:46 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415#comment-10078 I'm confused. How did you manage to get a plus/minus stat for West, Wilt, Russell etc. What did u regress against what ?

And as a litmus test, any measure that rates Wilt 2nd and Bill Russell 29th has to be viewed suspiciously.

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By: Sir Charles http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415&cpage=1#comment-9786 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:58:31 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415#comment-9786 Neil Paine...Question:

1) You Think You Could Make An All-Time Statistical +/- for Every Player for the Play-Offs

and

2) A All-Time Statistical +/- for a Player comparing "His Teamates Statistical +/-s" and how much Impact that Player had v.s his Teamates.

That would be asoume....

Greetings

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By: Tsunami http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415&cpage=1#comment-9286 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:45:12 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415#comment-9286 OMG LeBron is head and shoulders above everyone else of his generation. Wait that's not surprising at all.

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By: Mike G http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415&cpage=1#comment-9255 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:09:02 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415#comment-9255 Hey, it's your lucky day. I am socked in by blizzard conditions, with nothing better to do.

The guy who appears to be most overrated is Nate McMillan, or John Salley, or Bobby Jones.
Most underrated : Kevin Willis, then Duckworth.

I think Statistical +/- doesn't consider the defensive strength of the team, but tries to make up for that with high weights on individual D-stats (Blk and Stl)? How else to explain Kirilenko over Duncan and Garnett? Or this sequence:

5.16 Doc Rivers
5.13 Alvin Robertson
5.10 Dominique Wilkins
5.09 Billy Cunningham
4.97 Scottie Pippen
4.87 Elton Brand

Or Mr Salley's neighborhood:
3.28 John Salley
3.22 Chris Mullin
3.20 Clyde Lovellette
3.18 Mark Aguirre
3.16 Maurice Cheeks
3.10 Kevin McHale
3.10 Kevin Johnson
3.04 Jack Sikma

Big Shot Rob among Hall-of-Famers:
2.44 Isiah Thomas
2.44 Robert Horry
2.44 HotRod Williams
2.38 Rashard Lewis
2.36 Paul Arizin
2.35 Lamar Odom
2.33 Lenny Wilkens
...
2.18 Dikembe Mutombo
2.18 Willis Reed
2.16 Doug Christie
2.13 Danny Manning
2.12 Zelmo Beaty
...
1.76 Derrick McKey
1.75 Moses Malone
1.74 Mark Price
...
1.57 Michael Cooper
1.56 Dave Bing
1.55 Sidney Wicks
1.54 Elvin Hayes
...
1.13 Spencer Haywood
1.13 Mario Elie
1.11 Dave DeBusschere
...
All the early-ABA guys are overrated, but that's another can o'worms.

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By: dan http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415&cpage=1#comment-9254 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:16:33 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1415#comment-9254 the big surprise for me is tracy mcgrady ranking before kobe...

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