Comments on: “Too Much Kobe”? Try “Not Enough Defense” http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Baseballhead http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712&cpage=3#comment-42085 Fri, 04 Feb 2011 01:54:24 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712#comment-42085 #142 is Exhibit A that it's not enough to say that the Russell Celtics were the better team every year. The Kevins of the world insist that they have to be better human beings, too.

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By: KevinG http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712&cpage=3#comment-42082 Fri, 04 Feb 2011 01:03:30 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712#comment-42082 Yeah, guys like Greer, Arizin, West and Baylor really sucked.

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By: Baseballhead http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712&cpage=3#comment-42076 Fri, 04 Feb 2011 00:06:08 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712#comment-42076 Whoops, missed a tag. Sure wish we could edit.

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By: Baseballhead http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712&cpage=3#comment-42075 Fri, 04 Feb 2011 00:05:51 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712#comment-42075 That's probably as good a place as any to look. I found a copy of a Playboy interview with Jordan from 1992, which references the whole "selfish" reputation:
A collection of great Jordan moments would have to begin with the 1982 N.C.A.A. championship game, when his jump shot at the buzzer lifted the North Carolina Tar Heels to a one-point victory over the Georgetown Hoyas. Then came his stellar performance at the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles. And since being drafted by the Bulls after his junior year (he later went back to earn his degree), Jordan's career has been one long highlight film. Most fans will never forget the 1986 play-offs in which he utterly befuddled the Boston Celtics with 49- and 63-point games; or the 1986-87 season, when he led the league in scoring with 37.1 points per game, had more 50-point games than any other player except Wilt Chamberlain and became the second player in N.B.A. history--after Chamberlain--to score 3000 points in a season. In the process, he was transforming a franchise worth less than $20,000,000 in his rookie season into one with a current estimated worth of $150,000,000.

That estimate, of course, factors in last season's drive to the championship, in which Jordan proved once and for all that, contrary to his image as a selfish shooter, he's probably the most complete player in the game today, capable of providing his team with the best shooting, passing and defense in the league, as well as those intangibles of leadership and inspiration. (Emphasis mine.)

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By: DJ http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712&cpage=3#comment-42072 Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:50:34 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712#comment-42072 Mikan won two titles as scoring champ.

I wonder if the whole "selfish scorer" meme came out of the 60s, when Wilt would win the scoring title and the Celtics, with Russell and about six other HoFers would win the title. Every year. And people would say how selfish Wilt was and that was why they couldn't get past the Celts.

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By: Anon http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712&cpage=3#comment-42068 Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:53:39 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712#comment-42068 "The whole "selfish Jordan" meme was Conventional Wisdom up until 1991; up until then, he was always being compared unfavorably to Magic Johnson. (Sound familiar?)"

Yep. LeBron James comparisons to Kobe.

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By: Baseballhead http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712&cpage=3#comment-42067 Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:44:51 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712#comment-42067

Did he though? Maybe a little but not much. I think he got ripped a little for being too hard on his teammates but he never got accused of taking too many or bad shots.

The whole "selfish Jordan" meme was Conventional Wisdom up until 1991; up until then, he was always being compared unfavorably to Magic Johnson. (Sound familiar?) Winning a ring — and beating Magic's team to get it — put that to rest.

The other thing is that Jordan's FG%'s were always pretty good while Kobe's are just meh.

News flash! Michael Jordan better than another player! Celtic fan thinks _____ quality of Kobe Bryant is meh! Film at 11.

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By: kevin http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712&cpage=3#comment-42062 Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:18:09 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712#comment-42062 The other thing is that Jordan's FG%'s were always pretty good while Kobe's are just meh.

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By: kevin http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712&cpage=3#comment-42061 Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:16:41 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712#comment-42061 "Jordan got knocked for the exact same "selfish play" crap."

Did he though? Maybe a little but not much. I think he got ripped a little for being too hard on his teammates but he never got accused of taking too many or bad shots.

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By: robinred http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712&cpage=3#comment-42060 Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:08:35 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8712#comment-42060 Not trying to be snarky, I think the "tradition", as I suggest in 131, is that teams with awesome players win the title--be it a Russell (who skews this argument the other way in the 1960s) or a Jordan.

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