Comments on: All-Overrated Team: Isaiah Rider http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=626 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Dave Johnston http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=626&cpage=1#comment-8401 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:56:43 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=626#comment-8401 This cat has gone off the rails in a big way...and was a very limited pro player for the most part. Major disappointment.

But in my two (ish) decades of watching college basketball, I'm not sure I've ever seen a more dominant guard than senior year Rider at UNLV. It was a "man among boys" type of situation. He rebounded well, passed the ball, and obviously, scored in bunches. Would just decide to run games whenever he wanted to. Other teams guilty of watching him because of the crazy dunks. Averaged 29ppg, 9rpg, and 7apg - while shooting 52% on the year. He went for 36 a game for quite a while mid-season.

Had a chance to see a few games in person at T&M and managed to tape many games that aired late on ESPN (lived in Chicago at the time). It was great entertainment.

]]> By: Mountain http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=626&cpage=1#comment-8339 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:32:46 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=626#comment-8339 No rotation player much less star has had a defensive rating of 110 in a check of last 5 title winners. None.

]]> By: Mountain http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=626&cpage=1#comment-8338 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:28:55 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=626#comment-8338 Only 25 of the 110 players who play 30 minutes a game have a defensive rating 110 or worse. Roy is 19th from bottom. Do you far if your best player / team leader is in bottom 15% on "defensive rating"?

Akmost no one worse than Roy has gotten anywhere except Nash and nNash didn't get to the title in large part because of the team defensive issue and to some degree his contribution to it.

]]> By: Mountain http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=626&cpage=1#comment-8337 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:18:37 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=626#comment-8337 Is he going to get better than 110? When? How? By putting more of his energy into playing defense? Or changing positions? Could be either but the later in modest use appears to work. SF probably the easier position to guard given the talent pool there compared to SG.

]]> By: Mountain http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=626&cpage=1#comment-8336 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:15:33 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=626#comment-8336 "Defensive rating" may not be that useful (other things are probably better) but Rider's defense rating improved steadily from age 23 to 27 from 116 to 102. Is Roy going to ever get to 102 and contribute to that 102?

]]> By: Mountain http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=626&cpage=1#comment-8335 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:10:37 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=626#comment-8335 B Roy is not indifferent on offense outside of shooting though maybe you could say that about his team defense. Career 110 "defensive rating and no improvement at all since his rookie run.

]]> By: Mountain http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=626&cpage=1#comment-8334 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:07:58 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=626#comment-8334 Roy's first 2 seasons of shooting close to early Rider. Roy's up in season 3 but is it a longterm break thru to a new level or just a hot streak? Rider's shooting declined after 25. What will happen to Roy's? How much is physical ability based vs skill? How well does his health hold up?

]]> By: Mountain http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=626&cpage=1#comment-8333 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:02:01 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=626#comment-8333 Heretical inquiry but JR Rider vs B Roy at age 24:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=9qCeS

Very similar as shooters. Roy gets his edge from his floor game and defensive rebounding.

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