Comments on: Best Elimination-Game Performances: Win Shares Edition http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Nick http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605&cpage=1#comment-16871 Mon, 03 May 2010 21:37:16 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605#comment-16871 Hmm. 6 players are on the list for back-to-back games. Webber, Blaylock, Penny, Dirk, Billups, and Malone. 2 more (Diaw and Duncan) are on for non-back-to-back games in the same series. I don't have a point, I just thought it was interesting.

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By: Travis J http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605&cpage=1#comment-16853 Mon, 03 May 2010 15:33:59 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605#comment-16853 Final post on this, I promise :), but I just found out something else I should point about Dirk Nowitzki's clutch play in the playoffs that is esp relevant to this and the related post:

In the history of the NBA, going way back beyond '91, facing elimination, Dirk has 13
30+ point performances. Only Wilt the Stilt, tied at 13, and Jerry West at 14, have achieved similar results.

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By: Travis J http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605&cpage=1#comment-16852 Mon, 03 May 2010 15:26:23 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605#comment-16852 Following up on this, one of the reasons Dirk is on here 8 times, IMO, is not only that he is clutch, esp in the playoffs, but also, consider this -

How many other players in NBA history have been asked to single-handedly carry a franchise to the extent Dirk has? Maybe that further contributes to him having by far the highest # of performances on here...he and he alone has always had to save Mavs teams that otherwise arguably wouldn't have even been in these positions without him(as someone pointed out, Jordan hardly ever faced elimination after '91-he was great, his teams were good/great) from the brink of elimination, literally. Maybe this terribly bias (I am, admittedly, a huge Mavs fan), but we have 10 straight 50-win seasons, and who's the reason why?

With the three other teams that have achieved that tremendous 50-win/10-year feat, there was always more than one superstar.

1) LA of the 80's had Magic and Kareem as superstars and a host of stars (Worthy, Scott, etc) to back them up.

2)Spurs, of course, have had that (if you'll excuse my frustration) damned 3-headed monster Ginobli, Parker and Duncan (not to mention David Robinson at first, one of the all-time greats).

3) Celtics of the 60's are the closest to the Mavs situation in that it was Russell who was the one main component throughout. Of course, he did have HOFers Cousy, Havlicek, Bill Sharman, Tom Heinsohn, and Sam Jones throughout most of it (Cousy the first half, Havlicek the 2nd).

Now, I'm not trying to compare the 00's Mavs teams to those teams bc that would be ridiculous. Those teams won championships. I am saying that maybe if Nowitzki would have had a little more help (like maybe Cuban not letting Nash go in '04), he'd probably have a few rings by now. The list above about clutch performances and many other statistical measurements prove that Dirk is a helluva player, esp in the playoffs. Did I mention he's one of only 5 players EVER to average 25/10 in the postseason?? Who's not on that list? Larry Bird, David Robinson, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Wilt f'n Chamberlain!, just to name a few. That should put it in perspective for everyone. It did for me.

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By: Travis http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605&cpage=1#comment-16851 Mon, 03 May 2010 14:56:00 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605#comment-16851 Dirk on here 8 times!... furthering my point from the original post considering "Game Score" in these scenarios. Can we say unappreciated??

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By: Neil Paine http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605&cpage=1#comment-16775 Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:40:36 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605#comment-16775 No, it definitely doesn't. Maybe Justin can set it up at some point, but I can say that it was a huge pain in the @$$ to set up the query for "elimination games" when I was preparing the post.

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By: Mike G http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605&cpage=1#comment-16774 Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:19:33 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605#comment-16774 Does Caron Butler's work last night crack the list?
(35 pts, 11 reb, 3 stl, 0 TO ... )

Alternatively: Doesn't this list update automatically?

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By: Neil Paine http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605&cpage=1#comment-16769 Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:51:53 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605#comment-16769 Those are all good ideas... I'll try to post something about close-outs tomorrow.

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By: Ryan http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605&cpage=1#comment-16759 Wed, 28 Apr 2010 06:37:40 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605#comment-16759 Neil, you thought about running a set for best performances to close out a series-sweep?

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By: Travis T http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605&cpage=1#comment-16749 Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:25:18 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605#comment-16749 "Ryan Says:
April 26th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

Jordan's game 7 against NY in '92 doesn't even make the top 100? LMAO"

What is more telling about that performance is that Jordan played close to his pre-Wizard career average; that a slightly above career average game is among the absolute best games played in a recent elimination game is amazing.

Also, credit his lack of appearances on this list as a result of small sample size; he only played in two other elimination games since '91 for the Bulls, one of which was in his return against the Magic in '95, and the other was as a 35 year old in '98.

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By: Mike G http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605&cpage=1#comment-16745 Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:15:14 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5605#comment-16745 Awesome. Dirk in here 8 times; Malone, Payton, and Billups 5 each.

Both Ewing and Isiah appear from a 5th game NY/Det finale in '92.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199205030NYK.html

In '93, Reggie, Detlef, and Rik all went off in staving off defeat:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199305040IND.html

One of Reggie's entries is the only game he played in the '96 playoffs; failing to stop the 3-2 loss to Atl.

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