Comments on: 2012 APBRmetric Player Rankings: By Position

By: huevonkiller

huevonkiller — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:24:40 +0000

#65

Anon you are correct, but the difference was never that monstrous for 2006 Iverson. These metrics show that.

After adjusting for offensive rating above league average, usage rate, and MPG, Iverson came out on top offensively.

4.85 offensive rating above league average, +4.4 %possession more than Shaq, add both numbers (usage-efficiency tradeoff). Plus the 3 more MPG; and there you have it.

By: Anon

Anon — Wed, 27 Jul 2011 00:08:24 +0000

"It seems to me that the Dean O based stats are great for measuring defense, but not so great for offense." Didn't the BoP stats put prime Shaq ahead of prime Iverson in the first place?

By: huevonkiller

huevonkiller — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 11:31:23 +0000

Yeah that seems like an objective approach to take.

Don't get me wrong I appreciate the additional evidence.

By: Neil Paine

Neil Paine — Sat, 23 Jul 2011 00:54:32 +0000

#62 - After posting the first version, I got some useful feedback and ideas for new variables. Nothing wrong with that, that's how it gets more accurate.

By: huevonkiller

huevonkiller — Sat, 23 Jul 2011 00:33:08 +0000

#57 I like the new bopSPM too, but I'm just wondering out of curiosity what was the point of the first bopSPM? It would be helpful to know if you don't actually believe in these stats beforehand. #56 I'm being very nice to you believe me. Out of respect for Neil's forum and his rules. I guess you're not aware but, I am the person that wrote #54. Not an impostor that was actually me. So yeah...... *shrugs* Bye. :] You're acting like we were dating or something lol.

By: huevonkiller

huevonkiller — Sat, 23 Jul 2011 00:26:20 +0000

Neil aw don't be disingenuous like that.... Player.....Year....bopOSPM Iverson....2006....7.71 O'Neal.....2000....7.46 I said Iverson is a better offensive player, not overall. Definitely I got the year wrong, but I didn't believe in MPG though, #43 sets me up as a devils advocate. Make a better bopSPM next time from the start. PER is still slanted towards perimeter players when you adjust to Deepak's version. The facts are what they are, AYC is not capable of a factually correct argument if the metrics get complex, and he doesn't like the player in question.

By: AYC

AYC — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:50:54 +0000

PS Any chance you could post a spreadsheet with the original SPM so we can compare all 3?

By: AYC

AYC — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:48:35 +0000

Awesome again Neil! Just did the same sort I did before, and this method seems to produce much better results based on a quick glance. And I guess I should be cutting you more slack, since this seems to be a work in progress

By: Neil Paine

Neil Paine — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:33:43 +0000

Also, you'll be happy to see:

Player.....Year....bopOSPM....bopDSPM....bopSPM
O'Neal.....2001....6.94.......1.17.......8.11
Iverson....2001....5.97.......0.31.......6.28

By: Neil Paine

Neil Paine — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:07:07 +0000

#56 - I think the results of the new bopOSPM are actually pretty good at measuring offense. It's less usage-centric, but still rewards players for combining high usage with high efficiency. I uploaded a file with regular season (but not playoff) stats since 1978, check it out:

http://www.2shared.com/document/EIveqK8d/bopSPM.html