Comments on: 2010-11 Projected NBA Standings http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Rhiannon Allenson http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896&cpage=1#comment-54171 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:32:44 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896#comment-54171 hey there and thank you for your information - I have certainly picked up something new from right here. I did however expertise some technical issues using this website, as I experienced to reload the web site lots of times previous to I could get it to load properly. I had been wondering if your hosting is OK? Not that I'm complaining, but sluggish loading instances times will sometimes affect your placement in google and can damage your quality score if ads and marketing with Adwords. Well I'm adding this RSS to my e-mail and could look out for much more of your respective exciting content. Make sure you update this again soon..

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By: Neil Paine http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896&cpage=1#comment-30428 Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:07:13 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896#comment-30428 Re: #31 - Interesting point. That is basically what we're implying when we regress to the mean -- that in any season, the handful of best teams have a "true" ability of 55 or so wins, and the team that comes out of that group with the best record and 60+ wins is just the one that happens to be the luckiest. Likewise, there aren't really any "true" <25 win teams, and the one that finishes 20-62 is the unluckiest. So by expanding, I'm implying a level of knowledge about future luck (in addition to skill) that can't be predicted in reality. In other words, we know some team is going to finish with 60+ wins, and we know some team is going to win <25. It happens every year. But which teams will those be?

It's a lot like the annual conundrum in picking NFL playoff teams... Logic would seem to tell us not to pick most of last year's playoff teams to return the following year, because historically there's a 50% turnover rate from year to year. But while we know 6 of the 12 teams that made the playoffs last year won't be back, and 6 new teams will take their place, we have no way of knowing which teams they will be. That's why picking 100% of last year's playoff teams produces a lower error in the long run than trying to determine the 6 teams dropping out and the 6 teams moving up, even though people will look at your picks and say, "you moron, don't you know that 50% of playoff teams drop out the next year?"

In the NBA, you minimize your RMSE by hedging your bets and having no team win more than 54 games, even though people will look at your picks and say, "you moron, don't you know there are 60-win and 60-loss teams every season?"

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By: Guy http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896&cpage=1#comment-30405 Thu, 28 Oct 2010 12:39:04 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896#comment-30405 If you just expand to match past stdevs, aren't you implicitly projecting that good teams will tend to be lucky while bad teams will tend to be unlucky?

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By: DSMok1 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896&cpage=1#comment-29875 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 19:34:23 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896#comment-29875 "Re: #22,26 - The more I think about it, artificially forcing the distribution to fit past league stdevs was probably not the best idea. But it's always a double-edged sword -- regress to the mean too much, and people say "OMG, why do no teams have more than 52 wins?" Regress too little, and predictive accuracy certainly suffers."

Yeah, I even hear that over on APBRmetrics. Technically, it's not correct to do that, but the numbers certainly look prettier!

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By: Neil Paine http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896&cpage=1#comment-29873 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 19:07:53 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896#comment-29873 Re: #22,26 - The more I think about it, artificially forcing the distribution to fit past league stdevs was probably not the best idea. But it's always a double-edged sword -- regress to the mean too much, and people say "OMG, why do no teams have more than 52 wins?" Regress too little, and predictive accuracy certainly suffers.

On a barely-related topic, here's a page with simple per-36mp projections for every veteran player who played over the past 3 years:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?page_id=7954

That covers guys like Yao who didn't play in 2010.

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By: Julius http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896&cpage=1#comment-29870 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 18:17:40 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896#comment-29870 You have a new fan....how could some writers pick the Cavs as the worst team in the league? Does that mean if LeBron went to Minnesotta they would win 61 games this year?

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By: DSMok1 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896&cpage=1#comment-29861 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:41:45 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896#comment-29861 Full updated projections here:

Advanced SPM Player and Team Projections

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By: DSMok1 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896&cpage=1#comment-29859 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:27:48 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896#comment-29859 Again, Neil, I'm not artificially "expanding" the projections to match normal stdev of the league... The less conservative minutes projections just had that effect.

I doubt all of the Miami stars' offense will come through intact (like these numbers show--it would be a historic offense rivaling Dallas in '05), but their defense may be better than the player's numbers would project.

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By: DSMok1 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896&cpage=1#comment-29858 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:25:13 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896#comment-29858 Revised my projections with a less conservative playing-time estimation. I took a weighted (and adjusted for aging) average of the last 3 years, an estimate based on projected ASPM, and an estimate based on the depth chart, and averaged the 3. This helps top-heavy teams and hurts less top-heavy teams.

The full results:

TM     Margin    Rest     SoS     Total     Team            Wins
MIA    11.84    -0.11    -0.71    12.45     Miami           68.5
POR     5.57    -0.05     0.10     5.43     Portland        54.9
SAS     4.74     0.10     0.06     4.78     San Antonio     53.4
ORL     3.92    -0.18    -0.29     4.04     Orlando         51.5
ATL     3.57    -0.07    -0.36     3.85     Atlanta         51.1
BOS     3.00     0.02    -0.42     3.44     Boston          50.0
LAL     3.49    -0.18    -0.01     3.32     LA Lakers       49.7
DEN     3.27    -0.11     0.01     3.14     Denver          49.3
CHI     2.31     0.23    -0.47     3.01     Chicago         48.9
UTA     2.78    -0.01     0.11     2.66     Utah            48.0
OKC     2.36     0.12     0.00     2.47     Oklahoma City   47.5
NOH     2.36     0.01     0.21     2.15     New Orleans     46.7
DAL     1.06     0.08     0.24     0.91     Dallas          43.4
PHO     0.45     0.01     0.27     0.19     Phoenix         41.5
GSW     0.28    -0.17     0.14    -0.03     Golden State    40.9
MIL    -0.78     0.21    -0.10    -0.47     Milwaukee       39.8
HOU    -0.64    -0.04     0.12    -0.80     Houston         38.9
MEM    -0.88     0.06     0.16    -0.98     Memphis         38.4
CHA    -2.32     0.13    -0.01    -2.19     Charlotte       35.2
PHI    -2.46    -0.17    -0.21    -2.41     Philadelphia    34.6
NYK    -2.81    -0.19     0.00    -3.01     New York        33.1
CLE    -3.51     0.24    -0.05    -3.22     Cleveland       32.5
NJN    -3.69    -0.03    -0.08    -3.65     New Jersey      31.4
DET    -3.78    -0.04     0.02    -3.84     Detroit         31.0
SAC    -4.35     0.11     0.38    -4.62     Sacramento      29.0
IND    -4.65    -0.09    -0.09    -4.65     Indiana         29.0
WAS    -4.61     0.03     0.12    -4.70     Washington      28.8
LAC    -5.09    -0.10     0.30    -5.49     LA Clippers     26.9
TOR    -5.69    -0.02     0.05    -5.76     Toronto         26.3
MIN    -5.74     0.20     0.52    -6.06     Minnesota       25.6
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By: Justin Kubatko http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896&cpage=1#comment-29846 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:18:07 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7896#comment-29846 One of the things that Neil forgot to mention is that the Win Shares projections, which are based on a very simple method to begin with, are overly conservative for younger players. This has a big effect on a team like the Thunder. Another thing to keep in mind is that projecting playing time is extremely difficult

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