Comments on: The Winners (And Losers) http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4675 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Jayson http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4675&cpage=1#comment-14858 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 01:01:49 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4675#comment-14858 Great stuff..

This is sort of related to something I was going to suggest as a study for this site.

Who among 90's/00's (post expansion era) players were the best winners in the playoffs compared to the strength of the team they were facing, and who made a reputation of beating up on weak teams that had no business there in the first place..

P.S. Poor Grizzlies, their entire franchise is up on the loser's list lol.

]]> By: P Middy http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4675&cpage=1#comment-14816 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:03:32 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4675#comment-14816 Could chalk up bird vs. russell dominance up to talent dilution in the association . . .

]]> By: Neil Paine http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4675&cpage=1#comment-14778 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 06:12:26 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4675#comment-14778 If we go by championships per season (weighted by MP each year), you get this list:

Small-Sample
Player MP Playoffs Finalists Champions Rings/Yr
George Mikan 8350 4 3 3 0.908
Jim Pollard 9391 4 3 3 0.791
Jim Loscutoff 9431 7 6 6 0.769
Pep Saul 4740 2 2 2 0.760
Jim Holstein 3124 3 2 2 0.686
Larry Spriggs 2202 4 2 1 0.587
Gene Conley 5791 3 3 3 0.559
Stacey King 7406 5 3 3 0.476
Dick Hemric 2384 2 1 1 0.443
Tom Thacker 2187 4 1 1 0.358
Derrek Dickey 5345 2 1 1 0.348
Nate Bowman 2171 3 1 1 0.343
Carl Herrera 8042 5 2 2 0.326
Jim Ard 2666 2 1 1 0.320
Glen Davis 2978 2 1 1 0.316
Whitey Skoog 9193 4 2 2 0.313
Fabricio Oberto 4530 4 1 1 0.301
Charles Johnson 9972 6 3 2 0.299
Leon Powe 2756 2 1 1 0.294
Dick Farley 3822 3 1 1 0.291
Franklin Edwards 4436 2 2 1 0.285
Lew Hitch 6590 4 2 2 0.285
Win Wilfong 4810 2 1 1 0.283
Dave Twardzik 6921 4 1 1 0.280
Rajon Rondo 8663 2 1 1 0.266
Walt Davis 5344 3 2 2 0.259
George Dempsey 5720 4 1 1 0.252
Mitch Kupchak 9905 6 4 2 0.250
Beno Udrih 8491 3 2 2 0.247
Trevor Ariza 8136 3 2 1 0.246
Kevin Stacom 4539 3 1 1 0.245
Jud Buechler 8444 7 3 3 0.243
Mark Madsen 5335 4 2 2 0.242
Jordan Farmar 5003 3 2 1 0.238
Steve Kuberski 7897 4 2 2 0.236
Tony Allen 5891 3 1 1 0.233
Andrew Bynum 6208 3 1 1 0.233
Josh Powell 3097 3 2 1 0.227
Sasha Vujacic 5770 4 2 1 0.224
Stanislav Medvedenko 3340 3 2 1 0.218
Samaki Walker 7612 5 1 1 0.217
Larry Wright 6834 4 2 1 0.215
Kendrick Perkins 9141 3 1 1 0.209
Mark Landsberger 7306 5 3 2 0.206
Billy Kenville 6778 5 2 1 0.204
Francisco Elson 6577 4 1 1 0.203
Med Park 5632 3 2 1 0.196
Marc Iavaroni 8371 7 1 1 0.193
Dick Cunningham 3792 3 1 1 0.178
Rick Robey 8824 5 1 1 0.178
Large-Sample
Player MP Playoffs Finalists Champions Rings/Yr
Tom Heinsohn 19254 9 9 8 0.885
Sam Jones 24285 12 11 10 0.880
K.C. Jones 17501 9 8 8 0.860
Bill Russell 40726 13 12 11 0.854
Frank Ramsey 15330 9 8 7 0.752
Tom Sanders 22164 11 8 8 0.742
Larry Siegfried 13632 6 5 5 0.545
Bob Cousy 30165 12 7 6 0.461
Robert Horry 27066 16 7 7 0.457
Michael Jordan 41010 13 6 6 0.453
John Havlicek 46471 13 8 8 0.450
Michael Cooper 23635 11 8 5 0.440
Slater Martin 21889 9 6 4 0.439
Magic Johnson 33245 13 9 5 0.424
Scottie Pippen 41069 16 6 6 0.411
Steve Kerr 16207 11 5 5 0.406
Luc Longley 12006 7 3 3 0.401
Dennis Rodman 28839 11 6 5 0.398
Manu Ginobili 14503 6 3 3 0.392
Vern Mikkelsen 18443 7 4 3 0.383
Bill Sharman 21793 10 5 4 0.378
Tony Parker 21757 8 3 3 0.368
Don Nelson 21685 11 6 5 0.356
B.J. Armstrong 17790 8 3 3 0.343
Bruce Bowen 24055 10 3 3 0.318
Kurt Rambis 16299 9 6 4 0.313
Jamaal Wilkes 27275 10 5 3 0.313
Kobe Bryant 36499 12 6 4 0.310
Bob Harrison 11483 5 2 2 0.292
Ron Harper 31199 10 5 5 0.291
Tim Duncan 34716 11 4 4 0.290
Bill Walton 13250 4 3 2 0.288
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 57446 18 10 6 0.287
John Paxson 17257 10 3 3 0.287
Will Perdue 12360 10 4 4 0.277
Horace Grant 38621 13 5 4 0.275
Larry Bird 34443 12 5 3 0.272
James Worthy 30001 9 6 3 0.272
Byron Scott 30153 13 6 3 0.268
Toni Kukoc 22212 9 3 3 0.268
Derek Fisher 26203 11 6 4 0.264
Mario Elie 18654 11 3 3 0.257
Rick Fox 23723 9 4 3 0.255
Shaquille O'Neal 41065 15 6 4 0.251
Randy Brown 11533 3 3 3 0.249
Devean George 11170 8 4 3 0.241
Red Rocha 10507 5 1 1 0.235
John Salley 16524 9 5 4 0.234
Norm Nixon 27250 6 3 2 0.229
Dennis Johnson 35954 13 6 3 0.226
]]> By: Neil Paine http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4675&cpage=1#comment-14775 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:58:21 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4675#comment-14775 Strangely enough, the Celtic dynasty's best seasons came when K.C. Jones was there:

Jones Russell
Year Tm W L WPct Year Tm W L WPct
1957 BOS 44 28 0.611
1958 BOS 49 23 0.681
1959 BOS 52 20 0.722 1959 BOS 52 20 0.722
1960 BOS 59 16 0.787 1960 BOS 59 16 0.787
1961 BOS 57 22 0.722 1961 BOS 57 22 0.722
1962 BOS 60 20 0.750 1962 BOS 60 20 0.750
1963 BOS 58 22 0.725 1963 BOS 58 22 0.725
1964 BOS 59 21 0.738 1964 BOS 59 21 0.738
1965 BOS 62 18 0.775 1965 BOS 62 18 0.775
1966 BOS 54 26 0.675 1966 BOS 54 26 0.675
1967 BOS 60 21 0.741 1967 BOS 60 21 0.741
1968 BOS 54 28 0.659
1969 BOS 48 34 0.585

And typically we don't think of the 80s Celtics as being quite as over-the-top dominant as the Russell-era ones, but (weighted by each player's seasonal MP) Boston was actually more successful from a W-L% perspective during Bird's tenure than Russell's:

Bird Russell
Year Tm W L WPct Year Tm W L WPct
1980 BOS 61 21 0.744 1957 BOS 44 28 0.611
1981 BOS 62 20 0.756 1958 BOS 49 23 0.681
1982 BOS 63 19 0.768 1959 BOS 52 20 0.722
1983 BOS 56 26 0.683 1960 BOS 59 16 0.787
1984 BOS 62 20 0.756 1961 BOS 57 22 0.722
1985 BOS 63 19 0.768 1962 BOS 60 20 0.750
1986 BOS 67 15 0.817 1963 BOS 58 22 0.725
1987 BOS 59 23 0.720 1964 BOS 59 21 0.738
1988 BOS 57 25 0.695 1965 BOS 62 18 0.775
1989 BOS 42 40 0.512 1966 BOS 54 26 0.675
1990 BOS 52 30 0.634 1967 BOS 60 21 0.741
1991 BOS 56 26 0.683 1968 BOS 54 28 0.659
1992 BOS 51 31 0.622 1969 BOS 48 34 0.585
]]> By: P Middy http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4675&cpage=1#comment-14772 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 02:56:04 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4675#comment-14772 Would be nice to see this weighted for total championships somehow. Any all time winners list that doesn't have Russell at the very tippy top seems iffy.

]]> By: Luke http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4675&cpage=1#comment-14762 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:48:20 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4675#comment-14762 Cool idea, Neil. Though I'd still really like to see a list of every player who's ever won a championship somewhere on this site. I can't seem to find one anywhere (on any site). Or have a player's titles listed with their achievements at the bottom of their player page; that would also be really handy.

]]> By: Aaron Barzilai http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4675&cpage=1#comment-14760 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:52:12 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4675#comment-14760 Interesting lists. One minor formatting note, you might want to bold active players in these (and your other) lists like you do here:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/

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