Comments on: Inner-Circle Hall of Famers: 1970s

By: dukan

dukan — Sat, 12 Nov 2011 19:40:49 +0000

Yo aun necesito buscar mas sobre este tema para poder seleccionar la opcion mas de acuerdo para mi. Actualmente busco informacion sobre lo que se denomina de la "dieta dominguera".

By: GURU

GURU — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:29:58 +0000

KAJ / MMalone
E.Hayes /
Dr J / R Barry
J West / PMAravich

By: Melvin

Melvin — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:46:38 +0000

No way Walton belongs there. Great for 2 years, but that's all. And he was not the best player in the world during those 2 years, Kareem was still better. Suggesting that Bill was the best while still in college is just plain silly. That's like saying Kareem was better at UCLA than Wilt was during the same time in his prime with the 76ers. And I always love the myth that Walton dominated Jabbar in the '77 WCF. Walton owned the first half of game 1 and the fourth quarter of game 3 and that's it. Kareem won the other 13 quarters in the series and he killed Bill statistically despite receiving a lot more help defense on him. Portland with their speed and depth at gaurd and Lucas at the 4 was the best team the West easy when fully healthy - a lot of people don't give them enough credit - and while Walton did play well it was Lucas and the Portland guards that really killed LA. LA played above its head all season and with Allen hobbled and Washington out during the playoffs Kareem had almost no help at all - he practically had to beat Golden State by himself in 7 games for LA to even reach the WCF. I do agree that Cowens should be above Hayes, not sure about Unseld though.

By: mrparker

mrparker — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:21:18 +0000

I want to comment on the ascertion that there is something wrong with picking 4 guys per era. Yes, there are more players now than ever. However, that just makes for a watered down league. We could go back to the 8-10 team league and watch much better basketball. I'm not going to let more players into my HOF because the league/s decided to let more inferior players in.

By: Mike

Mike — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:52:46 +0000

Why bother coming up with a "system" if you're going to tack on ridiculous benchmarks and requirements.

The championship requirement is absurd.

Gary Payton won a title with the Heat at age 37 (PER: 10.7). So he's in.
Karl Malone, arguably the greatest power forward ever - nope.

4 players per decade? Makes no sense whatsoever.

By: Josh

Josh — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:39:46 +0000

The other player who might deserve to be on that list is Walt Frazier, who (considering his defensive reputation) was probably the best guard of the 70s. Over 20 points a game (with very good efficiency), 6-8 assists, great defense, and he was (by Win Shares) the best player on two championship teams. At his best, I think he was better than Hayes and Havlicek, although he doesn't have their longevity.

By: Rock

Rock — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:18:52 +0000

Hayes, Unseld, Cowens, Gervin...you know what? Rick Barry was better than any of them and should be the inner circle pick here. And I'd agree with AYC--Barry was probably better than Havlicek as well. One of the most underappreciated great players ever.

By: Justin Kubatko

Justin Kubatko — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:18:49 +0000

Kevin, no worries. Sorry, as I re-read what I wrote it sounds like I'm blowing you off, but I honestly don't have the time to give you a good answer right now.

By: kevin

kevin — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:50:24 +0000

My bad, Justin. It was about 3 years ago I saw that. All these sites look the same to me :). Still, the stats that site uses and the one this site uses are the same statistics. You can't get away from the fact the pre-73 stats are horrible, and even the ones available today are inadequate, certainly not as good as they could be. An enterprising person (perhaps you, Justin?) could vastly improve the stats available just by being creative with the game logs that are fee on NBA.com. You could duplicate Bill James by offering "12 NBA statistics you won't see anywhere else!". And I was wrong, Barnett was #3 on the list, not #2. So my memory isn't so bad after all. I may have been a little imprecise on the minutiae of the facts but got the overall impression correct.

By: Justin Kubatko

Justin Kubatko — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:16:31 +0000

Don't blame Neil for any perceived shortcomings in the Win Shares system, as the system is mine and mine alone. And I'm sorry, but I don't have the time or the energy to rebut what Kevin wrote, so let me just say that I disagree with most of his comments. As for Bill Russell being similar to Dick Barnett, you never saw that on my site. You must be thinking of this site.