Comments on: What Happens to the McDonald’s All-Americans? (Part I) http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1669 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Tosha http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1669&cpage=1#comment-10007 Sun, 10 May 2009 02:10:17 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1669#comment-10007 Can you tell me where is Cedric Henderson who played for the Atlanta Hawks 1986? I'm a old friend that have been searching for him for a long time.

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By: Kennybeads http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1669&cpage=1#comment-9851 Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:35:21 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1669#comment-9851 Professional basketball is truly a business! Yeah, Ken Barlow made a choice not few men could make at 21 years old. As a result, most don't know, he went to Europe and played 16 years winning 12 championships. Winning mutliple championships in Italy, Greece and Isreal. Ken Barlow is an honest strong man who would not be pimped by the Atlanta Hawks. For the record, they drafted Dallas Comegys another forward the very next year. Kept him through about 10 games and released him. They had also drafted Cedric Henderson another forward in the same year as Barlow. Hence, the Hawks were consistent in drafting forwards and low balling them with contracts.If you check the history, the Hawks never got any better and they expoited many prospects in the process. Ken Barlow, however, made a great career in European hoops...maybe not the standard that most Americans live by for pro hoops...but check the record...he beat most of those Europeans that were beating the USA in the Olympics

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By: MCT http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1669&cpage=1#comment-9383 Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:59:54 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1669#comment-9383 The Hawks defintely jerked Barlow around a bit, but I don't know if you can put the blame entirely on them. Barlow chose to fight the system rather than work within it. Then once he'd been overseas for a couple of years and gotten established over there, it seemed like he was comfortable where he was, and he stopped trying to get another shot at the NBA. I think if Barlow had really been determined to make it to the NBA, it would have happened eventually.

I guess it's also debatable how good of an NBA prospect Barlow was. I can't imagine that some NBA team wouldn't have given a #23 overall pick a fair shot sometime in the first few years after he was drafted. But the fact is, he was the second-to-last pick in the first round, so he was hardly a can't-miss prospect. The Warriors didn't seem that impressed with him after they got his rights. Again, I guess once he had been out of sight for a couple of years, Barlow just wasn't a hot enough commodity for NBA teams to go to much effort to lure him back.

It's too bad Barlow's relationship with the Hawks deteriorated the way it did, setting in motion the events that prevented him from getting his shot at the NBA right away. By the time he got free of the Hawks, his window had closed, for a combination of reasons, some probably the Hawks' fault, some not.

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By: Jonathan Lee http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1669&cpage=1#comment-9382 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:39:58 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1669#comment-9382 One huge factor in this though is that the selection process is highly political meaning that these aren't actually the top 24 players in the country, or even a legitimate attempt at such a task. Committing to elite schools like Duke, UNC, or UCLA improves your chances of being picked dramatically. Examples off the top of my head include James Keefe in 2006, Larry Drew Jr. in 2008, and the Wear twins this season.

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By: Neil Paine http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1669&cpage=1#comment-9381 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:08:34 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1669#comment-9381 Great stuff, MCT. I'd heard Barlow's name before in relation to the Washburn trade, but I always assumed he had a career-ending injury or something, not that Atlanta simply didn't want him. It's pretty messed up that they basically cost him his career by hanging onto him with no intention of playing him.

And, yeah, the numbers are probably off a little based on weird circumstances where guys were drafted but didn't play, or went by a different name during their McDAA days, etc. I'm just going to go class-by-class and sort by Win Shares, so if you see more data discrepancies, definitely let us know.

Re: Cormac - You're right, the MLB draft isn't a perfect analogy, because they're not all high-schoolers, I was just trying to find some frame of reference in another sport for comparison's sake. There really isn't a great analogue in any of the other big 3 pro sports: hockey is a lot like baseball, a mix of college kids and teens, but the top teenagers play for junior teams that act as a feeder system to the NHL, so it's not really comparable; meanwhile, football's draftees are all college players. But the important thing to take away from all this is that it's basically a 50-50 crapshoot as to whether or not one of the 24 best high school basketball players is going to stay in that elite group after 4 years have gone by.

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By: MCT http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1669&cpage=1#comment-9380 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:31:27 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1669#comment-9380 While perusing the list, I came across five players who played in the NBA but have no links on their names (two are NBA rookies this year that Justin probably hasn't caught up with yet, but there are older players from the '70s and '80s). I sent the info in through the feedback page, but this may throw off Neil's numbers a little bit. One of the players is a member of the 2004 team who was drafted in 2008 (Malik Hairston).

Another oddity is that there is at least one player on the list who was a 1st round pick but never actually played in the NBA: Ken Barlow. Barlow was drafted 23rd overall by the Lakers in 1986, then had his rights traded to Atlanta on draft day in what was probably a pre-arranged deal. He signed to play overseas, and would never play in the NBA.

There's more to the story, however. Barlow became involved in a dispute with Atlanta concerning whether the Hawks had made sufficient effort to sign him. This wasn't all in Barlow's mind; the Hawks appear to have had no particular use for him and presumably took him just because he was the best player available when their pick came up. Barlow asked the Hawks to relinquish his rights, but they refused. They seemingly didn't want to spend a roster spot on him, but didn't want to just give him away for nothing. The Hawks reportedly tried to trade Barlow's rights during both the 1986 and 1987 off-seasons, but couldn't work out a deal they liked. Barlow eventually became involved in legal action challenging the validity of the NBA draft and salary cap.

Atlanta finally traded Barlow's rights to Golden State during the 1987-88 season in exchange for Chris Washburn. IIRC, a Warriors official would later say the team had no special interest in Barlow but was really just trying to unload Washburn. Barlow played for Golden State's summer league team the following offseason but was apparently hampered by injuries and did not get an invitation to trianing camp. He went back overseas and I'm not sure if ever made a serious attempt to get into the NBA after that.

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By: Cormac http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1669&cpage=1#comment-9378 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:49:03 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1669#comment-9378 Interesting article. But I don't think that first and second round draft picks in the mlb are a true analog, seeing as many of them are college players who've played at a higher level. It would be conflating the mcdonalds all-americans with the college all-americans.

(also, there are many players very successful in high school or college sports whose games aren't built for the big show. think eric crouch. but it doesn't mean he wasn't good in college)

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