Comments on: Alpha Dogs, Second Bananas, and the Finals MVP http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Sean http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431&cpage=1#comment-18687 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 03:03:00 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431#comment-18687 Hk Says:
June 14th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
If Kobe had forced it in Game 5, there wouldn't be a recent blog post here about Kobe's exceptional performance.

Forcing is is what he did in Game 3 or 4, but he was successful in Game 5.>>>>>>>

Tough to call him 'successful' in a loss. JMO. I also don't believe that a blog about his Game #5 productivity means he didn't force things. JMO.

]]>
By: Sean http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431&cpage=1#comment-18683 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 02:08:04 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431#comment-18683 Hk says: Last night I wouldn't put it on Kobe although I would not suggest continuing to take so many difficult shots. LA's ball movement needs to improve.>>>>>>

I'm not blaming KOBE for the Laker's loss in Game #5. The LAKERS are to blame. IMO, a suggestion that Kobe 'took so many difficult shots' in Game #5 kinda says he was FORCING things, no? And LA's 'improved' ball movement will not happen if Kobe is not part of that plan. JMO.

]]>
By: Sean http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431&cpage=1#comment-18682 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 02:04:55 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431#comment-18682 Hk Says:
June 14th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
If Kobe had forced it in Game 5, there wouldn't be a recent blog post here about Kobe's exceptional performance.

Forcing is is what he did in Game 3 or 4, but he was successful in Game 5.>>>>>

The TEAM lost Game #5. I don't see how he was 'successful'. He was successful in Game #3, though. IMO, a blog celebrating his individual productivity in Game #5 (or whatever it was celebrating) doesn't mean he didn't force things. JMO.

]]>
By: Sean http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431&cpage=1#comment-18681 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 02:01:13 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431#comment-18681 Hk says: If Kobe had forced it in Game 5, there wouldn't be a recent blog post here about Kobe's exceptional performance.

Forcing is is what he did in Game 3 or 4, but he was successful in Game 5.>>>>>>

There being a blog about Kobe's good game doesn't eliminate an opinion that he forced things in that game.
Kobe's TEAM lost Game #5. I'm not sure where he was 'successful'. His TEAM won Game #3----that was a success for him, IMO.

]]>
By: Hk http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431&cpage=1#comment-18622 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 00:53:18 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431#comment-18622 *Forcing it.

Ron and Fisher are inconsistent offensive weapons. Bynum played 31 minutes and had 6 points and a rebound. Last night I wouldn't put it on Kobe although I would not suggest continuing to take so many difficult shots. LA's ball movement needs to improve.

]]>
By: Hk http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431&cpage=1#comment-18621 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 00:49:39 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431#comment-18621 If Kobe had forced it in Game 5, there wouldn't be a recent blog post here about Kobe's exceptional performance.

Forcing is is what he did in Game 3 or 4, but he was successful in Game 5.

]]>
By: Sean http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431&cpage=1#comment-18620 Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:59:41 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431#comment-18620 meanwhile, there's little doubt here that Bird's contributions were less valuable... >>>

I meant there's little doubt that they WEREN'T less valuable.

]]>
By: Sean http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431&cpage=1#comment-18619 Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:57:34 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431#comment-18619 Hank writes: If the Lakers win, I think the Finals MVP would go to Kobe, even though Pau has played better, simply because the voters realize Kobe has been stiffed in career regular season MVP awards.>>>>

It's an interesting conversation... Kobe controls what direction the Lakers go in. It's almost as if they win, he HAS to be MVP---because he permitted the game to go in the direction of better balance, e.g., more Pau Gasol & Co..... but Kobe seemed to choose the OTHER route in Game #5----with everyone talking about 'waiting for Kobe to go off' in one of these games, he seemed to overdominate the offense last night to try to MAKE THAT HAPPEN... TO FORCE IT. He played well... but the lack of balance sometimes CAUSES your teamates to 'disappear', IMO... and when the pundits are saying 'hey, Kobe needs more help---he can't do it alone'... the guy IMO who needs to get this memo MOST DESPERATELY is KOBE. He must facilitate balance to get the help... especially with the Lakers lack of a true PG. JMO. Let's see what he does in Game #6. If he tries to do it himself again, says here he's increasing the risk the Lakers go down in 6.

]]>
By: Sean http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431&cpage=1#comment-18618 Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:47:59 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431#comment-18618 Hanks says: The only huge upset was Cornbread beating Bird.>>>>>>

Cedric outscored and outshot Bird in that series, however Bird nearly equalled Moses Malone off the boards (and NOBODY did in those days) and led all players (both teams) in assists. I think it was a case of 'oooooh... the Alpha isn't having a huge scoring series---and look at the nice job this 2nd banana is doing'.... meanwhile, there's little doubt here that Bird's contributions were less valuable... though the door WAS open to be bold and go in another direction for MVP (even though the MVP was still probably Bird).

]]>
By: Sean http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431&cpage=1#comment-18617 Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:43:12 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431#comment-18617 Neil writes: Gasol's best hope is to increase his scoring if possible (this may ding his TS%, but he has a sizable lead over Bryant in that area), continue to rebound at a high level, and hope a crucial game doesn't come down to a Bryant game-winner.>>>>

If Pau Gasol is 'hoping' a crucial game doesn't come down to a Bryant game winner----i.e., the Lakers win because BRYANT made a game winner----so that HE (Gasol) can stay in the hunt for MVP, then Gasol deserves to be beaten like a rented llama.

]]>