Comments on: Nash Gunning For a Third MVP?

By: Matthew Cornwell

Matthew Cornwell — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:25:08 +0000

Many (not all) sabermetric types love to do two things - discredit Steve Nash and push win shares/PER. Lets not forget that Steve Nash is on pace to finish with over 112 Win Shares after this season, and only needs 15 more after that to be ranked in the the top 30 all-time. Nash also ranks 6th all-time among all point guards in win shares right now and 5th in career PER too. It seems that PER and W.S. are actually tools that would benefit Nash's status and perception. As far as the MVP's, of course he didn't deserve the first one and probably not the second one either. Of course Nash isn't as good as Duncan or Shaq or Kobe or LeBron. And of course he isn't as good as Stockton or probably Payton or Kidd - but he doesn't need to be to be viewed as a legit HOFer.

By: Chris

Chris — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:14:54 +0000

"He is no impact player, never shone in an all star game, statistics are way below average except maybe for assists, and is just plain nothing."

Uh, yeah. Okay. Whatever you say.

By: Ketih Ellis

Ketih Ellis — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:10:38 +0000

The excuses made for Steve Nash being "undersized" & "worn out" from leading a fast-stepping offensive attack beg two words: Jerry West. West was every bit as small as Nash (NBA player size when Wilt retired was on average a half-inch shorter & a dozen lbs lighter than today), & ran a far faster attack against better defenses (see DeBusschere, Clyde, Hondo, Norm/Sloan etc etc) than Nash does in Phoenix today. West was not only capable of leading the NBA in Assists for the first time into his Thirties, but also led the league in Scoring, something not even the bigger Guard Oscar Robertson ever pulled off. If size or speed matter, West's did more w/ the same physical characteristics (excepting wingspan) as Nash -- yet never MVPd. That's why Jerry was so ticked off when Billy Cunningham became the first non-Center to MVP since Oscar.

By: steve norris

steve norris — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:35:32 +0000

2 be a mvp u must play both ends of the floor, simple and point

By: blarg

blarg — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:08:46 +0000

Yeah, but then Yao would win every year.

By: Showie

Showie — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:04:04 +0000

C'mon enough with these MVP pretenders (NASH ?????). Way below the level of KOBE, LEBRON and DWAYNE. Let the basketball fans decide who is the real MVP and not these sports writers who feed us with tons of horse shit and non sense players statistics for their own ulterior motives of putting the name of nash in the list. I thought playing dirty politics were only in government and private entities.

By: Stephen Barlis

Stephen Barlis — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:39:03 +0000

Nash being MVP is hogwash. A mockery of the entire selection process. Never has there been an MVP who did not carry his team to an NBA finals. The sports media are just trying to be cute and pushing heavily for Nash to win the award (for the 3rd time--Oh my gosh!!!). He is no impact player, never shone in an all star game, statistics are way below average except maybe for assists, and is just plain nothing.

By: Greg

Greg — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 07:32:38 +0000

Well firstly if you say that steve is bad at defense you try running an offense with the ball in your hands for most of a possessions in a run and gun game. It tires you out when you do that for approximately 30 minutes a game. Then try and play defense and then run on the break. Sounds pretty tiring huh? Yeah well Nash did that for a few seasons.

If you based the MVP on someones stats, then what if a catch and shoot player put up 40 points per game just based on the everyone kept passing them the ball and they kept hitting their shots at 40 percent. Stats don't define a players effectiveness,they help though. If a player draws double teams to open up a defense for the rest of the team, that does not show up in a box score, and can't be defined statistically. That is what Nash does.

Also, for those of you who have read Referee Tim Donaghae's (not sure on the spelling) book, he talks about how he and fellow refs hated the suns because of sarver yelling at them frequently, and so favoured the spurs in the playoffs. So that can make it difficult to win finals games, can it not?

If someone can provide an explanation for these points to diminish Nash, I am all ears

By: Rich Rifkin

Rich Rifkin — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:25:48 +0000

"Small correction, Rich Rifkin. MJ won his last MVP in 1998 when he was 35 years old.."

Literally, you are right. My reference was figurative.

For the purposes of his basketball age, MJ was 34 in the 1997-98 season. I realize that Jordan turned 35 a month and a half before the 1997-98 season concluded. However, that's not what matters for basketball-age.

By: Kyle

Kyle — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:33:03 +0000

Eventually Nash, Nowitzki and Gasol will be in the Hall of Fame. Both Nash and Nowitzki have been voted top 10 at their positions all-time by ESPN. And neither has shown decline... they're fundamentally sound on offense, and actually know how to shoot.