Comments on: Changing the Culture II http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4766 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: DSMok1 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4766&cpage=1#comment-15161 Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:24:43 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4766#comment-15161 Well, that's the rub, right? The post a few days ago only credited coaches for their own tenure, which is the direction I would lean toward, but if you do that then there's the question of whether a guy really extinguished the losing culture if as soon as he left, the team went back to mediocrity. This list tries to account for that by giving a coach credit for everything that happened after he was hired, even if it happened 50 years after he retired or something absurd like that. I guess you could try to balance the two by arbitrarily reducing the weight of future seasons after a coach's tenure ended until he received no credit for seasons, say, 30 or 40 years after he was gone, but even that method is still going to have problems. In other words, there's no real easy way to approach this question.
I should note that Gillen is well ahead of Staak on this list, though. Perhaps I should limit it to one coach per school?

I think that theoretically, reducing future seasons would be best--say, a linear reduction that ends 25 years later. Practically, limiting to one coach would probably work nearly as well. As it is, Wilbur Johns of the 93-120 record is pretty high on the list!

]]> By: Downpuppy http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4766&cpage=1#comment-15158 Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:27:07 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4766#comment-15158 I'm sure Skip Prosser & Sean Miller wouldn't mind.

If you have world enough & time, you could refine this to a 10 (or some other arbitrary number) year before & after method, but finding "Culture" through its tracks in WL records is a quest worthy of Mantracker.

]]> By: Neil Paine http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4766&cpage=1#comment-15128 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:01:45 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4766#comment-15128 I should note that Gillen is well ahead of Staak on this list, though. Perhaps I should limit it to one coach per school?

]]> By: Neil Paine http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4766&cpage=1#comment-15127 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:00:06 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4766#comment-15127 Well, that's the rub, right? The post a few days ago only credited coaches for their own tenure, which is the direction I would lean toward, but if you do that then there's the question of whether a guy really extinguished the losing culture if as soon as he left, the team went back to mediocrity. This list tries to account for that by giving a coach credit for everything that happened after he was hired, even if it happened 50 years after he retired or something absurd like that. I guess you could try to balance the two by arbitrarily reducing the weight of future seasons after a coach's tenure ended until he received no credit for seasons, say, 30 or 40 years after he was gone, but even that method is still going to have problems. In other words, there's no real easy way to approach this question.

]]> By: DSMok1 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4766&cpage=1#comment-15124 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:21:04 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4766#comment-15124 I'm afraid this list looks worse. Bob Staak? Xavier had a .510 winning percent before he arrived, and a .506 winning percent during his tenure. Afterwords Pete Gillan actually turned the program around, but Bob Staak got credit for what Pete Gillan did.

Recheck the methodology, please...

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