Yeah those are my thoughts as well, specifically the Kareem example. I've discussed that before elsewhere, thanks for bringing it up.

Also it is pretty clear Shaq was a monster in the Finals, 36 PPG 59 TS% in those 3 wins. Totally kill Kobe and Anon X 2's favorite player. ;)

"Huevon", that's what it says. You don't see me calling you "Age"...

I try to be balanced and give credit to LBJ where its due, but your arguments are so skewed that they make this discussion no longer worthwhile.

The way you bend over backwards trying to brush off chokage, inferior production, and serious injury amazes me. Stop crying about the elbow if you don't want me to bring up 2005,2007,2008.

Why exactly are you here anyway btw? I don't have to say anything else, this site validates me completely. That is the purpose of this place you know.

I'll give you an example. If you read my #@%!ing statement, what I said was that Wade holds the record for playoff points scored in a player's first three years. LeBron didn't even make the playoffs until his third year.I didn't say Wade holds the record for playoff points in a player's first three playoffs. I said first three years, as in years in the league. My purpose in pointing that out is, again, to demonstrate again that Wade was one of the best young playoff performers the league has ever seen.

While trying to bring up some completely pointless complaint, you missed my point entirely.

I don't care about your inferior statistic that ignores all advanced metrics. I've shown their value now 7 years into their career, so much for that stat proving anything. This isn't the first three years of their career debate.

In general, I'm not sure if you are speaking out of fear or arrogance. It could be fear because LeBron is joining a team where he there is another player who is his virtual equal, and there's a very real possibility he may not end up being the best performer. Or maybe it is arrogance, and you actually have deluded yourself into thinking that James is on some other plane than everyone else(did you something in the choking in the playoffs? Boston series in 2008 and 2010 certainly qualify).

It is logic that drives me. As well as seeing Wade choking in the first round then you excusing him for having a weak stomach and shoulder, and all the little injuries that caused him to blow three playoff seasons completely.

He wasn't hurt in 2009 though, I'll give him that. He just shot like trash. Also I never said he was a bad basketball player, just Kobe level or T-Mac level.

Regardless, this will all play out on the court. And what you, I, or any writer has to say about it won't matter at all. And if one or the other of James or Wade does end up being the better player, there will be nowhere to hide from that truth, no matter what any of us say.

So just say this from the start, and save us both some time.

Sure Wade have been in Miami longer, but traditionally teams "Belong" to the best player, and even if i have alot of respect for Wades talent, theres no real argument on who the best player next year will be. Two time MVP speaks for it self, Wades never been anywere near that, and with LeBron on his team he never will be either.

The more interesting team is how they should reason with finals MVP, its pretty fair to make the argument it should always go to the teams MVP. Its hardly unfair to say Tim Duncan was the MVP of all Spurs championships, Isiah the MVP of his teams, and even slightly more controversial (at least in this thread) Shaq of his. Without those guys on the team, not even a remote chance of a championship. The fact that they recive some help in the finals dont change that.

They actually did it "my way" this year, Gasol could easily be picked as the finals best player but the MVP reward went to the MVP aka Kobe.

Michael Jordan had Pippen, Rodman, Grant, Kerr, Cartwright, Hodges, etc.
Larry Bird had McHale, DJ, Ainge, Walton, Maxwell, Parrish, etc.
Earvin Johnson had Kareem, Worthy, Cooper, Scott, McAdoo, etc.
Kobe Bryant had Shaq, Odom, Gasol, Artest, etc.

What was your point? The James and Wade and Bosh put their own team together, instead of doing what they were told?

Check their playoff per game averages for the past five years. LeBron is better than Kobe, hands down. How many rebounds did LeBron have in the one game he supposedly "tanked"?

D Wade has been getting WAY too much credit for his one title with Shaq. Miami has been a marginal playoff team the past few years since then. Cleveland has been one of the best teams in the league, without much real help for LeBron.