Comments on: Best Performances in a Finals Loss (1991-2010) http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: marc http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491&cpage=1#comment-18701 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:48:33 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491#comment-18701 What about Rondo?
And for Kobe, he takes a large chunk of the available shots
and he shots somewhere in the 40ies, while a lot of the lakers shoot better. Is he really the MVP if he still shoots that much then?
Scoring dominates awards, thats why he will win.
But somewhere, somehow didnt he make the series closer than it could have been?

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By: koberulz http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491&cpage=1#comment-18677 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:41:36 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491#comment-18677 Ricardo: My point is that the best player is the best player, regardless of how poorly that player plays. If nobody plays better than Kobe, he's the best player and thus should win the MVP award, whether the Lakers win or lose.

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By: Hk http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491&cpage=1#comment-18672 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:19:42 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491#comment-18672 #17, How does Win Shares compare?

I've seen Rosenbaum's criticisms of Wins Produced (which you can see with win score, it is a great team barometer but not individual barometer). I'm just wondering if being able to predict team results is the best way to measure an individual player's efficiency? I have no doubt that SPM is a great metric (superior to WP), but is it better than Win Shares on an individual level? I would be curious to see your response Neil.

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By: storyofgreats http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491&cpage=1#comment-18636 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 08:46:38 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491#comment-18636 Great post Neil.Kobe is doing everything he can.He owns the only block in Game 5!How others are so clueless and desireless especially Candyman LO is beyond my comprehension.They could not buy one stop during that ridiculuos strech.
Cheers!

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By: Ricardo http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491&cpage=1#comment-18634 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:00:19 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491#comment-18634 "Isn't that like saying that if everyone in a race jogs lazily, the guy who comes first doesn't deserve the gold medal?"

Find a better analogy. The point of participating in the NBA Finals is not to win the Finals MVP award - it's to win the damn championship.

In fact, I'll give you a better analogy: Let's call this the 4x100 Relay Finals. Representing Boston, we have Garnett, Allen, Pierce, and Rondo; for Los Angeles we have Artest, Fischer, Gasol, and Bryant. And let's say that besides having a champion relay team, there is also a Relay Finals MVS award. Don't you think that, if we are to have a sprinter from the losing team win the MVS award, he ought to look like Secretariat against four tortoises out there?

Kobe has had two good games - nothing on the level of earth-shattering. The Lakers are 1-1 in his two good games. Does this really look like an OBVIOUS MVP here?

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By: Johnny http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491&cpage=1#comment-18630 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:46:34 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491#comment-18630 When I think of Nick Anderson during those finals I remember his complete meltdown at the free throw line which pretty much stuck with him the rest of his career.

However, Penny Hardaway had a very good and underrated finals:

25.5 ppg, 8.0 apg, 4.8 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.8 bpg, 35/70 from the field, 11/24 3pt, 21/23 FT

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By: themojojedi http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491&cpage=1#comment-18629 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:13:22 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491#comment-18629 Nick Anderson's entry is one to ponder. I guess a few steals goes a long way.

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By: Neil Paine http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491&cpage=1#comment-18616 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 00:40:20 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491#comment-18616 I did an unpublished study a few months ago on which metrics (with no team adjustment) predicted the next season's results the best: NBA efficiency, win score (poor man's wins produced), game score (poor man's PER), SPM, alternate SPM, alternate win score, Sports Illustrated's linear weights formula (I believe David Sabino invented that one), Tom Thibodeau's linear weights (formula is in Harvey Pollack's most recent yearbook), Bob Bellotti's points created, and Kev Pelton's old linear-weights WARP formula. I regressed each metric 1,000 minutes to the mean (the exact amount of regression to the mean didn't really matter to the results, I just needed to regress by some amount) and predicted the following season's WPct using a minute-weighted average of the metric. Here are the results:

Metric R
spm 0.575
alt_spm 0.564
winscore 0.533
alt_wscore 0.513
thibodeau 0.388
ptscreated 0.387
gamescore 0.379
pelton 0.365
nbaeff 0.350
si 0.299

If it follows that the "rich man's versions" of these stats are better, but generally follow the same relative correlations as the metrics in the study, then PER is actually a really bad predictor, and SPM is arguably the best.

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By: Jason J http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491&cpage=1#comment-18615 Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:09:39 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491#comment-18615 Neil - While PER is arbitrary, isn't it one of the more accurate predictors among the metrics out there? Also, I'd like to reiterate my love for SPM and ask again that it be made available in the Play Index searches. For the kids, man. Do it for the kids.

Also IF the Lakers do lose this series (and the whole tenor of this defensive stallwart but offensively inconsistent road team up 3 going back to the opposition's homecourt to try to close it out in 2 games is reminding me an ungodly amount of the Knicks v. Rockets right now, and I'm really scared LA is going to take back to back home games and dash our collective hopes into Hollywood's hellfires), I don't think Kobe deserves the Finals MVP unless he closes out in spectacular fashion. I know we've only got 24 players to choose from, but just because Boston doesn't have one individual absolutely killing it, doesn't mean what has been a not-so-great series by Bryant overall should result in an award that has only once gone to a series loser. Garnett's defense has been tremendous since the series moved to Boston. Let the Ticket have the trophy and ditch his "not clutch" label.

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By: koberulz http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491&cpage=1#comment-18614 Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:57:43 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6491#comment-18614 Isn't that like saying that if everyone in a race jogs lazily, the guy who comes first doesn't deserve the gold medal?

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