Comments on: Biggest Team Factor Declines

By: Genius

Genius — Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:15:04 +0000

The differential comparison of using last year's team with LBJ on/off court is then what you seek. Yet you continue to bang your head against a spikes.

Cavs LAST YEAR NOT THIS YEAR:
+11 with LBJ on - championship contender
-5 with him off - worst team in the NBA

The Heat this year:
+ 11 with LBJ on - you know the drill.
+1.3 with LBJ off - not terrible, still a playoff team.

But it's NOT the Lakers:
+8.2 with Kobe on - you know the drill by now, I hope?
+8.3 with Kobe off - you definitely know the drill, championship contending team.

By: mike

mike — Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:23:24 +0000

i dont get why you dont understand what i am saying. i never once said he WASNT responsible for nearly every single win. i am saying we cannot reach that conclusion by comparing metrics from last year to this year, and only pointing to one factor (lebron leaving) as being the only reason for that huge difference when multiple factors are in play. I AM NOT ARGUING THE CONCLUSION! lol i have an issue with the analysis which is incomplete. thats all.

By: huevonkiller

huevonkiller — Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:08:22 +0000

And yet you have zero evidence to say, he wasn't responsible for nearly every single win.

And Neil has already shown what they play like with him OFF the court last year, which is pretty much this level.

By: mike

mike — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 23:03:16 +0000

did i argue that the cavs are not worse off? i am not arguing the conclusion - just the analysis. you cant make conclusive statements based on outliers and skewed statistics. they suck regardless and thats the bottom line. he was leaving regardless of what other talent was or was not there.

By: daveh

daveh — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:26:19 +0000

Seriously, man, your ability to remain in such a wild state of denial is like Mrs. O'Leary's cow on roller skates. It really ain't safe.

By: mike

mike — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:10:16 +0000

that is not "irrefutable relevant statistic." firstly, many of those games came towards the end of the season (especially last year) when lebron and many other starters sat. having multiple other starters sit already skews the statistic. secondly, many other games were just 1 game here and another game there. sporadic random games during the course of an NBA season are outliers and have little statistical relevance. if you could point to a stretch of 10+ consecutive games where the roster was intact, minus lebron, and their record was 1-9 or so - then THAT is a more relevant stat. but random games over the course of any season, when NBA teams have little practice time to begin with (and thus had no real chance to re-adapt the gameplan without lebron for a game), offer little statistical relevance.
look - there is no doubt the cavs were better with him. ALOT better. the notion that one player is responsible for 50 wins in the NBA is nonsense.

By: daveh

daveh — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:56:54 +0000

There is one irrefutable relevant statistic folks that don't believe James *was* the Cleveland Cavaliers should concern themselves: During the Cavaliers' LeBron Era, in the last 14 games James sat out, the Cavaliers' record was 1-13. And now, here we are. I rest my case.

By: huevonkiller

huevonkiller — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:16:07 +0000

Looks like LeBron's usage rate in Miami is pretty similar to Cleveland, so that's not right either Dave. You're just throwing things out there eh? Cleveland's problem, is that they play like the Sac Kings last year with James off the court. They need help in all areas, but that shouldn't be news to anyone.

By: huevonkiller

huevonkiller — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:08:21 +0000

Did Delonte West even play last season?

Seriously, who the hell cares? He's a scrub and Gibson has excellent +/- impact.

By: Dave

Dave — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 03:37:40 +0000

#26 - Gibson > West? really - then why did Mike Brown play west over Gibson almost all of last season - except when he needed 3 pt shooting??? Delonte West is a headjob, but their second best perimeter defender after LBJ in '10. Sessions is indeed a better Player than Mo Williams - but Sessions is the ONLY player the team acquired. Ahh I can't be bothered making excuses for suck a bad team. They suck this season. Varejao had skills that complemented LeBron's. Maybe the Cav's problems the last two seasons has been they've been tinkering trying to acquire bit players to 'complement' LBJ, seems like perhaps they needed a system that forced LBJ to fit in ... like what he is facing in Miami - no you can't just call your own number every play on O ... The only comment on Shaq I'll make is when he plays with Rondo he looks better than he has been in 5 years (or is it just KG's got his back on D?).