Comments on: Keltner List: Scottie Pippen http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: пyпo http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301&cpage=1#comment-10227 Sat, 23 May 2009 11:01:02 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301#comment-10227 Даа... Достаточно спорно, поспорил бы с автором...

]]> By: steve norris http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301&cpage=1#comment-9992 Fri, 08 May 2009 15:40:00 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301#comment-9992 nice work on pippen. i say all you have to do is just watch and you know who is great. a player like bernard king, i know he was hall material. he dont need stats to prove how good he was.

]]> By: Jason J http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301&cpage=1#comment-9991 Fri, 08 May 2009 15:32:51 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301#comment-9991 Mike - I really wish I agreed wholeheartedly on this subject, because I'm a longtime Bulls fan! I guess you could make an argument against Magic, though honestly, having watched the series at least 20 times over the years, I wouldn't personally come to that conclusion.

I really don't see an argument against Payton. 46 minutes or not, he outproduced Pippen overall and shot 10% higher from the field including 10% higher from 3 against two terrific one on one defenders (Jordan & Harper). And again, Scottie limiting Detlef to 44% shooting and getting waxed by Kemp (which only happened because Rodman also got waxed by Kemp, and Phil didn't have a decent back up 4 to go to) is less impressive than Payton acting as primary cover on Jordan in what was quite possibly the very worst playoff series of his life. So to me the defensive edge in the comparison also goes to the Glove.

Was Pippen a better player than Payton for his career? I think so (though I'm a biased Bulls fan), but he had a lousy series against Seattle. Everybody did. Dennis's rebounding & Jordan's ability to get to the line held us in it while we stunk up the joint from the field, though at the same time their inability to lock up Kemp & GP were quite possibly the biggest problems in the whole series.

Wouldn't argue against anyone else except Worthy who didn't play poorly until he got hurt. He played pretty well before the injury (schooled Ho and Scottie on the blocks a little bit with those hooks and diving finger rolls he had).

]]> By: steve norris http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301&cpage=1#comment-9990 Fri, 08 May 2009 15:27:03 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301#comment-9990 somebody from this website please tell me why steve nash has 2 mvp seasons? i still cant figure it out cause to me he was not even close to top 10 player in the league

]]> By: Jason J http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301&cpage=1#comment-9989 Fri, 08 May 2009 14:35:51 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301#comment-9989 Completely off-topic, but these last couple of posts made me think it would be interesting to see Marion next to MJ. He makes good cuts, shoots well from the corners, hits the offensive glass, and defends (sort of a smaller, more perimeter-based and offensively gifted Horace Grant). I bet you could win rings with that 1 - 2 punch. Matrix couldn't be Pip. It would be a different dynamic, but I could see them bringing home titles.

]]> By: Mike G http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301&cpage=1#comment-9988 Fri, 08 May 2009 14:33:07 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301#comment-9988 Jason J: Magic in '91 and Payton '96 were not among those who were 'embarrassed' vs the Bulls, but I still maintain Scottie's number were better. Magic certainly had his hands full; those per-game averages (and Payton's in '96) were for 46 minutes per game, and both played great series.

Playing great defense, while maintaining your offense, is certainly a tall order. But Jordan managed it and then some, every time. Pippen, sometimes. Among those who didn't (i.e., 'embarrassingly'): James Worthy, Byron Scott, Terry Porter, Kevin Johnson, Danny Ainge (for 2 teams), Tom Chambers, Detlef Schrempf, Hersey Hawkins, Jeff Hornacek. These guys were all not far removed from their Allstar selves; but put up paltry numbers vs the Bulls in the Finals.

]]> By: Mike G http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301&cpage=1#comment-9987 Fri, 08 May 2009 14:20:17 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301#comment-9987 Some would even argue that Marion's 2 3rd-teams and 3 of 4 allstar games were 'because he played with Nash'.

]]> By: Justin Kubatko http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301&cpage=1#comment-9983 Fri, 08 May 2009 11:31:49 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301#comment-9983 TRad wrote:

So XYZ isn’t a HOF candidate because he didn’t played with Jordan?

First, player XYZ (aka Shawn Marion) is still active but has probably seen his best years, so those career per game numbers are going to decrease as time goes by. Second, Marion's list of career honors looks like this: All-NBA 3rd team (twice). That's it. Here's Pippen's list: All-NBA 1st team (3 selections), All-NBA 2nd team (2), All-NBA 3rd team (2), All-Defensive 1st team (8), All-Defensive 2nd team (2).

]]> By: TRad http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301&cpage=1#comment-9980 Fri, 08 May 2009 01:11:23 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301#comment-9980 Two players, a mystery XYZ and Pippen.

Pip XYZ
Pts/G 16.1 17.8
Reb/G 6.4 9.9
Ast/G 5.2 2.0
Stl/G 2.0 1.8
Blk/G 0.8 1.3
FG% .473 .481
3% .326 .331
FT% .704 .802
WS/G .104 .137

So XYZ isn't a HOF candidate because he didn't played with Jordan?

]]> By: Sean http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301&cpage=1#comment-9976 Thu, 07 May 2009 19:07:54 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2301#comment-9976 I second Daniel Bui's Keltner List suggestions, but I have one other ex-Piston in mind as well: Chauncey Billups.

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