Comments on: Keltner List: Kevin Johnson http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Ricardo http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252&cpage=1#comment-12064 Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:45:01 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252#comment-12064 Speaking of old Suns, how about Alvan Adams? Or one of his contemporaries, Jack Sikma?

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By: Romain http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252&cpage=1#comment-9228 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:13:34 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252#comment-9228 You're saying that KJ was the best player among the Suns before Barkley showed up in 1992 as if this were not even something that needed to be argued. Yet in 1988/89 and 1989/90 Tom Chambers averaged respectively 25.7 PPG + 8.4 RPG and 27.2 PPG + 7.0 RPG. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that Chambers was better than KJ. All I'm saying is that you should have mentioned the guy. In your recent post on Allen Iverson HoA probability, you wrote that anytime you average 26+ PPG in a season, you're going to get major MVP consideration. Yet these stats don't seem enough for Chambers to get at least some consideration as best player on his team?

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By: Kiran Rasaretnam http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252&cpage=1#comment-9136 Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:47:23 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252#comment-9136 I'm a big fan of KJ both as a basketball player and as a person - went to school with him (he was 2 years ahead of me). He used to come out and watch the Cal tennis team all the time, and he would attend the same church. He is now mayor of Sacramento (I live in a suburb of Sacramento). Anyhow, here are my observations.

I didn't realize how "close" according to the Keltner list he would be in terms of getting into the Hall of Fame.
All-Star selections shouldn't be a criteria in my opinion as they are simply popularity contests
All-NBA selections, although more worthy of consideration, are also somewhat popularity contests
There really isn't a "true" measure of who should be in versus out.

A great example of this will be Allen Iverson. He has got to be one of the most over-rated basketball players of ALL TIME. He will probably get into the Hall of Fame. My opinion of AI was confirmed when I read Wages of Wins by D Berri. I'd love to see the Keltner List done on AI (assuming that he as actually eligible today - he is not likely to affect his should/should not be in status by what he does in the future - in other words, one can easily form that opinion today).

Thanks - and keep up the great work

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By: Justin Kubatko http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252&cpage=1#comment-9091 Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:25:29 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252#comment-9091 Josh, why do I get the feeling you're asking me to step into a minefield? :-)

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By: parker http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252&cpage=1#comment-9089 Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:12:44 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252#comment-9089 Those are guards, how about other players?

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By: Justin Kubatko http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252&cpage=1#comment-9070 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:52:18 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252#comment-9070 Parker, this was in the post:

While KJ was selected to only three All-Star teams, he was selected to five All-NBA teams (four 2nd team selections and one 3rd team selection). There are seven other guards with exactly five All-NBA selections: Tiny Archibald, Clyde Drexler, Tim Hardaway, Bill Sharman, Sidney Moncrief, Mitch Richmond, and Isiah Thomas. Archibald, Drexler, Sharman, and Thomas are in the Hall of Fame; Moncrief and Richmond are not; and Hardaway is not yet eligible.

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By: parker http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252&cpage=1#comment-9069 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:48:44 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252#comment-9069 Here's another question? How many guys have made all nba 5 times and are not in the hall of fame?

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By: josh http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252&cpage=1#comment-9066 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:25:28 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252#comment-9066 Justin,
Could you briefly comment on who you believe to be the best PG in Suns history?
Thank you.

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By: steve norris http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252&cpage=1#comment-9065 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:16:49 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252#comment-9065 that dunk on the dream alone should put him in.

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By: Justin Kubatko http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252&cpage=1#comment-9064 Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:00:12 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1252#comment-9064 Kevin, since 1951 (the year of the first NBA All-Star Game) there have been eight players with more All-NBA selections than All-Star Game selections:

+-----------------+----------+---------+
| Player          | All-Star | All-NBA |
+-----------------+----------+---------+
| Derrick Coleman |        1 |       2 | 
| Phil Ford       |        0 |       1 | 
| Kevin Johnson   |        3 |       5 | 
| Drazen Petrovic |        0 |       1 | 
| John Stockton   |       10 |      11 | 
| Rod Strickland  |        0 |       1 | 
| Ben Wallace     |        4 |       5 | 
| Deron Williams  |        0 |       1 | 
+-----------------+----------+---------+

As you can see, KJ is the only player with a difference greater than one.

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