Comments on: Layups: The NBA in the ’90s if Michael Jordan & the Chicago Bulls Didn’t Exist http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: J.B http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321&cpage=1#comment-45779 Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:24:40 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321#comment-45779 Another example of shady officiating happened in Game 6 of the 1992 East Finals. With about 35 seconds to go in the game, MJ went up for a shot and missed, but a foul was called. The replay showed, however, that Larry Nance really didn't touch him. If it wasn't for that, there may have been a Game 7.

Dsong, I agree with you about Chicago. They may not have been as good without Phil's steadying hand. He also did the same in LA a decade later. Shaq probably would have demanded a trade if Phil never went there. He even said something like that.

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By: dsong http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321&cpage=1#comment-36364 Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:11:50 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321#comment-36364 The Pacers probably would've beaten the Bulls in '98 had the refs not intervened, but that's the way the league works. While the Bulls were heavily assisted, the Lakers benefitted many, many times from refs as well. The 2002 series vs. Sacramento is one of the worst I've ever seen.

After watching basketball I'm starting to get the feeling that a lot of these legacies and superstars are artificially created by shady officiating. Just look at the 4th quarter of Game 7 vs. Boston last season. It was a parade to the free throw line for the Lakers. When you see the same thing happen over and over again for 20 years, it starts to add up.

It would also be interesting to see how the Bulls would have responded without Phil Jackson. The classic, "Jordan Rules", by Sam Smith, illustrates just how dysfunctional the entire organization was, from top down. Jackson was a key piece in the whole cog that helped bring the dynasty together. We've seen too many examples of talented teams that implode without a steadying hand to bring it together... would that have also happened to the Bulls?

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By: Ryan. http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321&cpage=1#comment-36056 Thu, 09 Dec 2010 01:40:53 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321#comment-36056 The irony, I know.

And after reading more posts from him, I can confirm he is indeed a Laker fan.

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By: Fritz http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321&cpage=1#comment-35804 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 09:43:45 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321#comment-35804 "Yes, the referees were responsible for the Bulls' 6 titles in the 1990's.

Laker fan? Sounds like it."

If so, that's throwing some awfully big stones from a glass house. But people say stupid crap like that all the time, and they're not restricted to LA. Far as I'm concerned the only titles that were significantly altered by refs were '06 and '88.

Also, I remember the looming possibility of Indiana-Utah in 1998 (which I agree with the howtowatch guys is what would have happened without MJ). Boy, what a ratings catastrophe that would have been. And we would have missed Dennis Rodman desperately backing away from his insulting remarks by saying he "just thought Mormon meant someone from Utah." Classic. Screw Barkley and Malone's ring quests, we needed those Bulls.

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By: Ryan http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321&cpage=1#comment-35782 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 23:16:44 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321#comment-35782 Yes, the referees were responsible for the Bulls' 6 titles in the 1990's.

Laker fan? Sounds like it.

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By: dsong http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321&cpage=1#comment-35767 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:25:10 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321#comment-35767 I think this might have actually happened had Phil Jackson not come around...

Oh, and the refs. Can't forget about that.

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By: AYC http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321&cpage=1#comment-35404 Fri, 03 Dec 2010 17:40:06 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321#comment-35404 The 92 Knicks extended the bulls to 7 games in the 2nd round, the only team do so during the first 3-pete... they probably would've beaten the Cavs and the blazers IMO. Might have kept the X-man and repeated in 93 too; defense wins championships, right? (thank God this didn't happen; I hate the Knicks)

Hard to imagine D-Rob winning a second straight MVP after being demolished by Hakeem in the playoffs the previous year. Yeah, he had the most points after MJ, but he didn't have any 1st place votes. Penny had 2, Dream and Mailman 1 apiece. Without MJ taking up the majority of votes, I would guess Malone would've won the "life achievement" award that year

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By: Sean http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321&cpage=1#comment-35369 Fri, 03 Dec 2010 14:46:12 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321#comment-35369 The Lakers aren't winning the 1991 Finals against anybody if Worthy and Scott are done for the series in Game #4 like they were VS Chicago. Was that taken into account, I wonder? It certainly affected the Lakers/ Bulls series.

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By: Anon x 2 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321&cpage=1#comment-35336 Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:04:26 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321#comment-35336 Nick - actually, Detroit beat Portland the previous season and beat the Lakers the season before that only after the Lakers lost Magic and Byron. That Laker team was 12-0 in the playoffs and had beaten Detroit the previous season in the Finals, so to say it was their Achilles heel is a bit of a um...revisionist perspective.

I'm pretty sure if you take any Title team's best player with the quality of Magic friggan' Johnson out of the equation, no team will hold up (except maybe in the 2000s when the Nets made the Finals or Cleveland). Then add in a Byron Scott as well!

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By: Seif-Eldeine http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321&cpage=1#comment-35324 Fri, 03 Dec 2010 03:49:47 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8321#comment-35324 The Jazz really got unlucky, those two teams (96 and 97) were probably the team best non-championship teams in NBA history, including 2 of the top 25 players in NBA history in Malone and Stockton, who were, if not in their prime, only a little past it, as well as a host of solid role players, including Byron Russell. What a great team! They should start handing out rings to runners up if a player like Jordan ever comes around again.

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