Comments on: How Good Would Bias Have Been? http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: H.p. http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011&cpage=1#comment-49488 Sat, 21 May 2011 16:41:48 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011#comment-49488 Jordan was more careful with the ball in his hand while Bias was more careful with an 8 ball. Sad but true. He couldve been this or that but he couldn't make a smart decision as to not inhale several grams of coke. He was incredibly athletic and talented but obviously from what happened to him he wasn't that much for intelligent decision making. Larry bird himself said that Bias' cocaine addiction couldve been the end of the team. No matter how talented you are, smart choices have to be made. MJ was smart on and off the court (in regards to his health and game). Bias was called the closest thing to Jordan. Just after Jordan was in 2 seasons. MJ didn't even reach his potential within those 2 years. Bias couldve been molded into a great but the league was changing and he couldn't even hold on to the ball. more turnovers than assists. by a huge margin. Couldn't shoot further than mid range. i respect him as a player. my dad loved him but lets be honest, Jordan showed us why he is considered one the greatest( if not the greatest); Bias wasn't mature enough to do that. What mature individual goes to town on several grams of coke right after getting signed to a dream. not trying to bash the guy but man his actions kind of speak to his character.

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By: Isaac http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011&cpage=1#comment-48113 Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:25:26 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011#comment-48113 All those stats don't illustrate the full story. Playing with Bird, McHale, Parish, Ainge, DJ, Red and KC would have advanced his career much more than any stat could calculate. Sure, his college stats weren't mindblowing, but you play with Larry Bird for three years, you're getting experience you're not getting anywhere else. Potential isn't a number, and neither would Bias's impact on the Celtics have been, since he would have taken minutes off McHale and Bird, and given them a backup so they could heal, and they would have dominated. Alas

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By: too short http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011&cpage=1#comment-46865 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 05:08:10 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011#comment-46865 This is a couple of years old but, anyway.

As far as Daugherty going #1. Yes, back then teams did put a premium on big-time centers. Really, until, Jordan won those championships, the thinking was you had to have if not great, at least a very good center to win it all.

As far as Bias, while I was only 10. I always thought more Dominique Wilkins like. Then Jordan, to be honest. (I watched a lot of Wilkins as a kid). But, I heard mention at that time as Jordan being a lesser Dr. J. (which wouldnt have been a knock on Jordan in 1986). Jordan was a great talent, with freakish potential, but no one knew he'd be THAT great. Bias would have probably been a great player, with the benefit of being eased into a Parrish, McHale, Bird frontcourt (well, Walton was still around but, he was near the end). And Boston with Auerbach was always good at molding. But mentioning Reggie Lewis's tragedy. Those 2 really could have been a lesser Jordan-Pippen to help lead the Celtics through the 90s battling the Bulls. (I think they would have needed more help than Jordan-Pippen, particularly an actual PG, but they could have probably stole at a couple of titles from the Bulls, assuming they werent moved or went FA etc)

Course, with Len Bias, even if didnt die that night, we can wonder if drugs wouldnt have hindered him at some point, like so many other players had happened to. (and if I remember Red was particularly intolerant of drugs)

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By: Bradlee http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011&cpage=1#comment-13466 Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:58:32 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011#comment-13466 I just read this about Harold Minor....Since his retirement from basketball, he had been disinclined to give interviews or make public appearances, instead remaining private and largely inaccessible.

Wow, I guess being given the title of Baby Jordan and not living up to it has made him very sour. Heck it's not like he was even a top 10 pick in the draft, we was just an average bust.

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By: Bradlee http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011&cpage=1#comment-13465 Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:43:38 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011#comment-13465 I just had to comment on the Harold Minor reference lol. What a bust he was. In college I thought he was darn good. I wonder what he is up to now.

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By: kevin http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011&cpage=1#comment-13399 Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:42:15 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011#comment-13399 1983- 63.6%
1984- 76.7%
1985- 77.7%
1986- 86.4%

That last figure is phenomenal for a college player. Since he was obviously still improving, it's not unreasonable to assume he would have been a 88-90% free throw shooter by the age of 25, which is Larry Bird territory. I believe Bird was 84% as a rookie in the NBA and Bias was already there as a college senior.

Bias was much better than James Worthy. He had shooting and ballhandling skills that Worthy could only dream about. He was also a better rebounder. Bias ability-wise and body wise is similar to LeBron james, though I'm not sure he would ever gotten as good as LeBron.

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By: bastillon http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011&cpage=1#comment-13394 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:37:40 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011#comment-13394 everyone is talking about his shooting. what was his FT% ? just out of curiosity.

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By: Jason J http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011&cpage=1#comment-13386 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:29:46 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011#comment-13386 Man, I forgot what a great college player CWeb was. He played C in college though. Probably not a great comparison w/ a 3/4 like Bias. Juwan might be a better fit.

I grew up a Celts fan as well, and I remember the adults being very hung up on Bias, but I never watched him myself. I can tell you one thing - drawing comparisons to Jordan does not might not guarantee success, but there's been a long lineage of very good players who were all named the "next" at some point. Ron Harper, Clyde Drexler, Harold Minor (kinda), Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Kobe Bryant, Vince Carter, LeBron James, and Dwyane Wade. They don't suck.

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By: khandor http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011&cpage=1#comment-13385 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:46:18 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011#comment-13385 JKD,

Before MJ played a game at UNC, he was touted by Al McGuire as a player who would, one day in the future, go down in Hoops History as, "The Greatest Tar Heel Of Them All". Was Coach McGuire wrong?

Evaluating basketball players accurately involves a great deal more than simply crunching numbers.

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Kevin,

Like you, I, too, can recall seeing Len Bias play on more than one occasion against elite level competition.

Although there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that he was an outstanding college player, who was likely going to have a very good pro career, as an under-sized Power Forward, ala James Worthy, IMO, any comparison of Bias' actual skill-set to that of Michael Jordan's, as the quintessential NBA OG/SF, is simply off-base.

Please re-read carefully the anecdotal comments referenced in this thread praising Len's ability to play the game at a high level. What you should be able to see are subtle hints that reveal a distinct qualitative difference between Bias' physical and skill-based assets:

* He was not quite as quick
* He was not quite as agile
* His ball-handling and passing skills needed to improve
* His range on his jumper needed to increase
* His driving ability was not that of a prototypical SF in the NBA

in comparison with His Airness.

Forget a statistical analysis of these two elite level hoopsters.

Len Bias Highlights

In all likelihood:

* Len Bias would not have become "a poor man's James Worthy"; James Worthy would have become "a poor man's Len Bias"

* Len Bias would have become a much better NBA player than Brad Dougherty

* Len Bias, as an under-sized PF, would still have fallen short of names like Russell, Jordan, Oscar, Chamberlain, The Logo, Erving, Magic, Bird, Kareem and Hakeem, as the GOATs.

There is little/no shame in that ... considering the quality of those aforementioned names.

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By: JKD http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011&cpage=1#comment-13381 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:12:21 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4011#comment-13381 The disclaimer that there's nothing in this player's college history to indicate that the player would be as good as Jordan - also applies to the prospect of Michael Jordan ever becoming what he did. No one saw Jordan coming as GOAT, not really. He was one of a few dozen from the decade with that possibility, but not really much more.

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