Comments on: Offensive Quality of Teammates http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: dodona71 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333&cpage=1#comment-12406 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:36:01 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333#comment-12406 kb24/8 a living legend!no matter in how many weasel ways he is beig bashed by number crunching!

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By: Paul http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333&cpage=1#comment-7595 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:06:55 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333#comment-7595 Surprises me that KG isn't on the list of players who "rose above his teammates". He was dominant on some pretty bad timberwolves teams.

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By: Neil Paine http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333&cpage=1#comment-7593 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:04:36 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333#comment-7593 I think the "Kobe ranking ahead of Shaq" thing is also a byproduct of where they are in their careers right now -- Kobe's still in the middle of his prime, while Shaq's recent "down years" are included in his career performance (both in his own #s and as a teammate). By the time Kobe is 36, he'll probably drop back behind the big fella again because A) his current team is stacked, and B) his own production will have declined as well.

As for other notable players: Kerr actually ranks 75th, which surprises me, but he only got 3.5 years w/ the Jordan Bulls. Plus, I guess those Cleveland teams of the early 90s didn't have the greatest offenses (19th in '90, 18th in '92), and Shaq hadn't fully hit his stride when Kerr was on the Magic... Similarly, Harper ranks 189th -- before spending the final 7 years of his career as a role player with the Bulls and Lakers (including that awful '99 CHI team), Harper was the go-to guy on some pretty bad offenses with the Cavs and Clippers, which really drags down his score. Ho-Grant is 41st; he played on some dynamite offenses from '90 to '96 (when Shaq left), but the 2nd half of his career is a mixed bag in terms of offensive teams. Finally, AI has had the 22nd-worst offensive supporting cast among all players; I shudder to think what it would have been before playing 5545 minutes alongside Carmelo (and yes, partial careers are possible, but it's kind of time-consuming, so I might save it for a later post if you can give me some more interesting examples you want to see done).

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By: Kudabeen http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333&cpage=1#comment-7591 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:41:30 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333#comment-7591 Where does Allen Iverson fit? That 2001 team was not upper echelon. I can't think of him playing with many All-stars or MVP caliber players. He had less talent than Kobe, Dirk, Nash, surely...

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By: Jordanpushedoff http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333&cpage=1#comment-7583 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:43:55 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333#comment-7583 In addition to Horry, how about Steve Kerr (5 rings) or Ron Harper (5 rings) or Horace Grant (4 rings, plus played with young Shaq)?

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By: matt wright http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333&cpage=1#comment-7580 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:17:26 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333#comment-7580 Kobe's production relative to his teammates could have been inflated by the dysfunctional teams around him for several years immediately after Shaq left. If LA keeps their current, more talented squad together through the end of Bryant's career, Shaq will probably move ahead of him.

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By: PeanutButterSpread http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333&cpage=1#comment-7579 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:49:41 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333#comment-7579 It's interesting how Kobe ranked above Shaq in the "the players who rose above their teammates the most during their careers"

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By: Rusty http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333&cpage=1#comment-7578 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:21:03 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333#comment-7578 OK....we needed an in-depth analysy to learn that a player had it made (team mate-wise) when he played with Kareem and Magic, or with Scottie and Michael, or with Stockton and Malone?

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By: Anonymous http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333&cpage=1#comment-7577 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:28:51 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333#comment-7577 Can you do this for partial careers? It might be interesting to see David Robinson before the Duncan Draft, or KG before moving to Boston...

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By: Eric http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333&cpage=1#comment-7576 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:13:51 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=333#comment-7576 How many of the last list got max deals?

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