Comments on: Failure to Launch, Part II http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=269 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Neil Paine http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=269&cpage=1#comment-7491 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:09:15 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=269#comment-7491 Dan: Those Bulls can't be here yet because 5 years haven't gone by since they flopped. If we were going on 1+ years of data, I'm sure they'd fit, but then again so would a lot of teams. That's why I picked 5 years as the cutoff -- it's basically just long enough to let history run its course for a team. When I re-do this list in 2012, though, you can bet we'll see Chicago in there (barring some kind of super-success later this decade).

John: For those Mavs, it's that pesky "success" qualifier that keeps them off (by SRS, they were a rather atrocious team throughout the 90s). '98 Celtics had the youth part down (at 3.81 years younger than the NBA average, they were one of the youngest teams ever), but with a -1.96 SRS, their expected 5-year win total was just 202, and they only underperformed it by 7 games. Conversely, that '98 Nets team that lost to the Bulls in Round 1 was pretty good (1.89 SRS), but they were actually older than the league average, and therefore didn't qualify for the list. It's hard to find teams that fit both the age and success qualifications, which I think makes the teams on this list the cream of the disappointing crop.

]]> By: John http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=269&cpage=1#comment-7488 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:27:24 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=269#comment-7488 Having not looked at Part I of this blog series, and seeing how this team doesn't quite fit the trend of having success followed by disappointment, I think the Mavericks squad with Jason Kidd, Jamal Mashburn and Jim Jackson deserves some honorable mention. Maybe even the Celtics of the late 90s and early 2000s, even though I guess they did have their moments and their veterans. The New Jersey Nets as well, I seem to recall having a load of young talent in the mid-late 90s and not amounting to much until some trades were made.

]]> By: Dan http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=269&cpage=1#comment-7487 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:51:20 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=269#comment-7487 How can last years Bulls not make this list? Picked to finish first in the Central and challenge for the Eastern Conference title, the team won 16 fewer games than the previous season; missed the playoffs; their coach -- who was in the discussion for coach of the year honors the previous 2 years -- was fired on Christmas Eve; and a roster full of promising young talent that everyone around the league coveted became a roster that included Larry Hughes. At least the disappointment did land them Derrick Rose and perhaps that alone is enough upside to keep them off the list.

]]> By: Rolando http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=269&cpage=1#comment-7485 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:08:28 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=269#comment-7485 Jimmy King and Ray Jackson, left out of yet another list!

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