Comments on: What’s the Probability That James/Wade’s Declines Are Due to Chance? http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: NEX-C3 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309&cpage=2#comment-54084 Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:08:52 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309#comment-54084 jelas seperti situs web Anda namun Anda perlu menguji ejaan pada beberapa posting Anda. Sejumlah dari mereka yang penuh dengan masalah ejaan dan saya merasa sangat sulit untuk memberitahu kenyataan namun aku pasti akan kembali lagi.

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By: EvanZ http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309&cpage=2#comment-36357 Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:29:02 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309#comment-36357 Ok, Lorrance. Nice to see you still don't get it.

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By: lorrance http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309&cpage=2#comment-36347 Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:14:41 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309#comment-36347 @ 51 don't see where i really criticized(to strong a word for just disagreeing) Neil and where those criticisms were proven wrong, really don't get the issue. My Point is simple, they both were slumping and you could tell this both statistically and by using your eyes. Think you are confusing me with someone else. This is the first time i've ever remember disagreeing with Neil on something so I don't get the tone of you're comments. I know this is a stat site but trying to figure out the PROBABILITY of something we see ACTUALLY happening doesn't seem to be helpful to me, but maybe I'm missing something.

@EvanZ- Wasn't looking for any cheers or any of the sort. Point is actual observation of actual game play is useful without made up probability models. Plain statistical comparison is enough to see they are slumping at the same time and by watching footage of HOW they play now and in the Past is enough to figure out Why. And Yay to you to EvanZ!LOL

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By: EvanZ http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309&cpage=2#comment-36344 Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:34:05 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309#comment-36344 @50

Point taken, but the take-home message was not intended to be "this is when you use the eye test", rather simply explaining the difference between slump and SLUMP. I suppose one could argue the eye test is never necessary (maybe sufficient in certain cases?). We can have that discussion another day.

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By: huevonkiller http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309&cpage=2#comment-36332 Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:06:24 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309#comment-36332 #48 I meant.

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By: huevonkiller http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309&cpage=2#comment-36331 Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:06:02 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309#comment-36331 #47

I'm calmly explaining to you, that you didn't say anything insightful in this thread. At every step neil disproved your criticisms, now and in the past.

Neil has posts that account for external factors, like two conflicting playing styles that might take time to mesh.

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By: huevonkiller http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309&cpage=1#comment-36330 Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:03:07 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309#comment-36330 Well no EvanZ, in this case Neil explained the slump with a in-depth analysis in September.

Two high free throw rate drawing players can have great trouble meshing together. You're right in the definitions of slump and SLUMP, but you fail to make your case how the eye test is necessary in this situation.

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By: EvanZ http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309&cpage=1#comment-36145 Thu, 09 Dec 2010 13:43:35 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309#comment-36145 @Lorrance,

There is a difference between a slump that is statistically probable and one that is not. The statistically probable slump indicates that the player's skills (and or "external" factors) have not changed. In other words, the "slump" is simply caused by normal probabilities/statistical variation. The statistically improbable slump indicates that the player is at a level that is so far below what is statistically probable, that it is likely due to something other than statistical variation. Let me give you a simple example, and you tell me if you can see the difference:

Scenario A (statistically probable): A 90% free throw shooter (let's say John Stockton) at some point during the season misses 6 free throws. Sure, that is unlikely. I don't remember seeing Stockton actually doing this. But if you take enough free throws, at some point even a 90% FT shooter will likely miss 6 consecutive free throws. Would you call that a slump?

Scenario B (statistically improbable): A 90% free throw shooter (let's say John Stockton) at some point during the season has a string where he hits only 30 of 60 free throws. The statistics would tell you that a 90% free throw shooter is almost certainly not going to have a slump of this duration. Therefore, it is likely that there is something else going on. Maybe he hurt his elbow. Maybe his dog died. Whatever.

The point is that Scenario A is a slump. Scenario B is a SLUMP. The former doesn't really mean anything. The latter is worth worrying about. In fact, to really understand the mechanism for the latter, guess what? You would use your eyes! See, you still win! Yay, Lorrance!

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By: lorrance http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309&cpage=1#comment-36142 Thu, 09 Dec 2010 13:16:29 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309#comment-36142 #47- Why so sensitive? I Love this site but this one's a no brainer. The formula proved nothing cuz they both WERE SLUMPING. Look at them now. Usually when you say someone's slumping you are saying they are playing worse than they usually play for reasons of their own doing rather than the comp. So in this case the eye test does work. They were playing alot worse than usual. I stand by my original comment and the present and the rest of the season will show it to be right on the money. Man calm down , i disagree with one formula that decides that 18 games is enough to tell this or that and that means I don't have any insight? Watching a game and actually seeing the way they have been playing is useful, that's how coaches make adjustments and POINT out what they are doing wrong. So the eye test does work me amigo, It's an indispenable part of the game.

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By: huevonkiller http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309&cpage=1#comment-35996 Wed, 08 Dec 2010 17:17:45 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8309#comment-35996 #46, what are you talking about man?

This article proved that they clearly weren't in a slump. It didn't say that they would continue to play like this the rest of the season, or that chemistry wasn't the issue.

BTW, chemistry problems aren't the same as slumping. You've addressed absolutely nothing and have written nothing insightful. Basketball-reference predicts the post-season a lot better than you do, with your eye test.

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