Comments on: The Top 10 Small Forwards of All Time (*according to statistical +/-)

By: Sveinn Birkir

Sveinn Birkir — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:26:03 +0000

I don't get it. No James Worthy?

By: Ryan

Ryan — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 04:29:24 +0000

You've really got to get on the Shooting Guards immediately, I'd do it myself by I'm slack.

By: Harold

Harold — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:41:38 +0000

Take another look Sprfrk. Pippen's two best years were the ones Jordan was gone. It looks to me like Pippen subjugated his game a little bit to accomodate Jordan. Pippen clearly could have done more if he didn't have to defer to Jordan. You don't win six championships dragging anybody.

By: penbeast

penbeast — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:12:25 +0000

sort of shocked to see Nique on the list (which of course doesn't measure man defense . . . and still Bobby Jones made it!). I've always thought of him as a step behind his contemporaries like Bird, Dantley, King, Aquirre, and Marques Johnson because of his relatively limited outside shooting and bad defense plus his efficiency always seemed a level lower. He did play longer and more consistently at his peak level than any of the others . . . sort of like Iverson today . . . but i would have guessed statistical analysis would show him falling behind rather than staying in this company.

By: sprtfrk

sprtfrk — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:22:10 +0000

having seen both of their whole careers, i gotta think that MJ dragged "no tippin'" Pippen onto this list. Surprised that Worthy didn't crack the list too.

By: Paul Arizin

Paul Arizin — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 03:16:20 +0000

Hey! You forgot about me!

By: Luke

Luke — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:58:33 +0000

I felt really smart reading/analyzing this, until I got to JIM's comment... It was a little like shifting my brain all the way up to 4th gear and then slamming it into reverse. Thanks, JIM, you blew out the transmission on my brain.

By: Jason J

Jason J — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:51:10 +0000

gotcha. didn't understand how the minutes were being factored.

MJ. Every time I look at a new metric, he owns it. Ridiculous!

By: Neil Paine

Neil Paine — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:45:03 +0000

I arbitrarily set the replacement level at -5.00, because that seems like the level at which players tend to drop out of the league. And since SPM theoretically measures a player’s individual contribution to point differential, I found value over replacement by adding 5 to his career SPM score, dividing by 48 (the # of minutes in a regulation game), and multiplying by career minutes. I debated over where to out T-Mac, but he feels like a guard (or at least that's where he was during his best years). I haven't calculated it for the guards yet, but just glancing at the SPM #'s, Magic and Oscar added like 11-12 points of efficiency differential to their teams at their peak, which is way off the charts (for reference's sake, that's like the difference between the Lakers and the Warriors this year). Then again, Jordan added that much on average over his whole career, including the Wizards years. At his peak, he added 18+ pts of differential, which would be like turning the Kings into the Celtics, Cavs, or Lakers. Just a guess, but I'd say MJ is going to own the whole thing.

By: Jason J

Jason J — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:30:00 +0000

That is a great list. What exactly determines who gets in? Sum total SPM?

Also did TMac not make the list or is he being considered an SG?

Can't wait to see how the guards shake out! Have a feeling the SPMs for Oscar and Magic will be right through the roof.