Comments on: Another Measure of Player Importance http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=599 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Megavolt http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=599&cpage=1#comment-8001 Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:37:59 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=599#comment-8001 "I haven’t checked them all but looks like 92-93 Jordan was at 42.9% %teamFG and that probably is his highest when winning the title."

Makes sense when you consider that he had to average 41.0 ppg in the Finals in order to get his team past Phoenix. Didn't Wade have to average 34.7 to get by Dallas in '06?

A high %teamFG could indicate the "value" and to some extent the ability of a particular player, but it seems to me that TOO high a %teamFG usually means that one person is carrying too much of the load. Such a team may still perform very well, but they probably won't be able to be the best teams, i.e. the teams that spread the burden around better. MJ was an anomaly in that he was efficient enough to carry more of the load and still manage to carry his team to *ultimate* success on a consistent basis. (for the people who get annoyed by how highly he's regarded, that's why - and he's a shooting guard...you EXPECT a big man to be dominant enough to lead a team, but a championship team led by a shooting guard is rare, and MJ did it six times) We saw what happened when Lebron tried to do it for the Cavs in '07...they got swept by San Antonio.

The %teamFG for Chris Paul is exactly why I doubt the Hornets will be able to beat the Lakers or the Celtics in a seven game series. He makes those guys better than they are, but individually, David West and the other guys aren't on the level of Kareem, Byron Scott, James Worthy... I make that comparison because Magic Johnson led the Lakers in the mid to late eighties, but he had players who were excellent in their own right, and therefore could shoulder more of the responsibility when necessary. Without Paul, the Hornets are not good enough. If the Hornets want to get the finals and maybe win, Paul will have to play for virtually the entire game. It could be done, but the margin for error will be less than it'll be for the Lakers and Celtics.

That's why Boston won last season and why they're probably still the best team. They can spread it around quite well. Paul Pierce is not Lebron/CP3/Wade night in and night out, but he doesn't have to be. That's the strength of the team and that's why Miami can't win squat without Wade having a huge game. Obviously Chris Paul has a better team than Miami, but it shouldn't have to be said that it's a matter of degrees when you're comparing bad teams, average teams, very good teams, and title contending teams.

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By: Mountain http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=599&cpage=1#comment-7987 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:12:40 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=599#comment-7987 I haven't checked them all but looks like 92-93 Jordan was at 42.9% %teamFG and that probably is his highest when winning the title. That along with the susbstantial record of Stockton and Payton and the rest of the non title winning that year all-time leaders should give some pause regarding the message of this stat for Paul and Wade this season.

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By: Mountain http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=599&cpage=1#comment-7986 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:06:40 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=599#comment-7986 Looks like Wade's %teamFG was 40.4% his championship year, 15% less than now. Is that the highest post title winning Jordan? Kobe's last title season was at 38.4%. What was Jordan's highest when winning the title?

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By: Mountain http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=599&cpage=1#comment-7983 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:56:07 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=599#comment-7983 Where were Wade's and Bryant's %teamFG the years they won titles compared to years they didn't?

How many times in post Jordan era did the champ have the top or even a top 5 guy?

Did this dominant involvement make Stockton and Payton teams a little to predictable and a bit easier to guard than otherwise despite all the benefits they brought?

No Celtics on this seasson's list. Or Spur on it or the all-time list. Is a more distributed attack the modern way to go? Why does Phil Jackson have Kobe at 12th place?

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By: Mountain http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=599&cpage=1#comment-7982 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:48:01 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=599#comment-7982 Highest possession % is certainly not necessarily "best" or even good. Is %teamFG? How many on the all-time leader list won titles that year?Isn't it zero?

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By: Jack http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=599&cpage=1#comment-7976 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:39:48 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=599#comment-7976 If I'm not mistaken, Paul's assist ratio this season is the highest of all time. I don't think anyone would claim that he's a ballhog. I've talked to some fans, and they actually think he's not shooting enough. This bears out in the statistics (lower usage and 3 fewer shot attempts). His percentages are sky high this year, and he's not really taking shots away from someone more efficient (the only one who beats him in TS% is Posey), so I think there may be some merit to what they are saying. I don't know if his current shooting numbers are sustainable, but his level of efficiency right now is still so good that he could probably afford to take a slight hit in order to increase his volume.

Given this post, it's not surprising that the New Orleans offense kind of goes off the rails when Paul isn't on the court. He is years away from his prime, and he is still one of the best decision makers I have ever seen.

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