Comments on: Layups: Derrick Rose, Plus/Minus MVP?

By: kev

kev — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 15:39:46 +0000

If only there were some way we could figure out by talking to actual people if a player busted his butt all summer, comes to every game with a winning attitude and is money in crunch time. We could then combine that with some sort of "Win-Loss" stat to see if that has had an impact and then make a decision.

By: Kelly

Kelly — Fri, 01 Apr 2011 03:05:04 +0000

Paul Pierce crushes Howard or James in adjusted +/-. Where's the cry for him to be MVP?

By: Neil Paine

Neil Paine — Sun, 30 Jan 2011 19:50:25 +0000

What does it say about the MVP's pro-offense bias that we have a DPOY but not an Offensive Player of the Year Award? It's almost like the MVP is assumed to be basically the OPOY, when it should be a reward for all-around impact.

By: Sean

Sean — Sat, 29 Jan 2011 21:09:19 +0000

NBA has an interesting article proposing a new award that better fits Rose's performance: Offensive Player of the Year.

By: Neil Paine

Neil Paine — Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:57:43 +0000

Yeah, Poohdini's final paragraph is unintentionally hilarious because in 2006, the stat support was much, much stronger for Kobe Bryant than it was for Steve Nash. Nash's two MVPs are still considered by "stat geeks" to be among the most controversial MVP selections ever.

By: Jay

Jay — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 23:57:21 +0000

"Overr analyzing things like this is the reason why Kobe only has 1 MVP while Steve Nash has two." Actually, that's not true at all. The reason nash won those 2 MVPs was due to your main argument for rose. The suns success completely hinged on nash's play. When he missed a game, they basically had no chance out there. So, in effect, he was the "most valuable player", and had the (some of the) stats to back it up.

By: Poohdini

Poohdini — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:10:41 +0000

Put down the damn calculator and watch a Bulls game for once.. If anyone is saying Rose isn't MVP, doesn't understand the game of basketball.. Being a stat geek, and number crunching doesn't always show the players importance and impact to that team.. A number can't tell you how many games Rose has showed up big for the Bulls with the absence of Noah and Boozer.. Just last week the Bulls had a starting unit of Bogans/Deng/Taj Gibson/Kurt Thomas.. The Bulls went 3-1 that week on the coat tail of Derrick Rose. Not many players in the league could have carried a team with that type of starting cast.. Thats the purpose of MVP.. Not number crunching but who's the MOST VALUEABLE PLAYER to their team in the league.. He currently has the Bulls 30-14.. If someone told you before this season that Rose would carry the Bulls to that record with Noah/Boozer missing a combined 39 games. You would have laughed.. Like I said before stop the damn number crunching and watch a basketball game or two.. Overr analyzing things like this is the reason why Kobe only has 1 MVP while Steve Nash has two. Kobe has been robbed so many damn times due to stat geeks or people over analyzing, but is somehow a 5x champion, and 2x Finals MVP..

By: EvanZ

EvanZ — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:13:12 +0000

If we go by a combination of box score metrics and Adj. +/-, then Chris Paul is the clear MVP. It's a shame that he plays for a team that nobody cares about. A strong case can also be made for LeBron James...every year. But Rose is the soup de jour, and there's something to be said for that, too, I guess.

By: Greyberger

Greyberger — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 05:34:41 +0000

Scoring, not shooting. It's a scoring metric.

By: Greyberger

Greyberger — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 05:33:48 +0000

*players with a high FT% shoot Technicals.