Comments on: 2011 NBA Finals Series Win Probability After Game 1 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: huevonkiller http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565&cpage=1#comment-50140 Mon, 06 Jun 2011 03:33:32 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565#comment-50140 Lol Sean it doesn't surprise me, you can take a step to END your dribble.

You don't know jack.

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By: sean http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565&cpage=1#comment-50076 Sat, 04 Jun 2011 00:20:12 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565#comment-50076 You can take 3 steps, people don't even know the rules. The NBA allows you to finish your dribble with a step, then take two more strides. It looks like traveling to a lot of uneducated people.>>>>>>>>>>

Section XIII Page 37 of the 2010-2011 NBA Rulebook says you get 2 steps upon completion of a dribble. I didn't see anyone talking about steps while you're still dribbling.

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By: Raj http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565&cpage=1#comment-50053 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:02:29 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565#comment-50053 @13

"older centers that get little respect today like jack sikma, willis reed, dave cowens and arvydas sabonis were far more skilled than shaq. ewing was better too. shaq just ran over everybody until about 5 years ago when he ran out of gas"

this is my least favorite argument in basketball. who cares if you have more overall and different skills if those skills don't add up to more than 1 guy's dominant skill? why on earth should shaq have ever learned to shoot 18 footers with a lower percentage of success than dunking on everyone? not one of the guy's you mentioned (with possibly the exception of USSR-era Sabonis) was anywhere near shaq's level. if that's due exclusively to the fact that shaq was clearly more physically gifted than they were (and given cowen's appalingly low TSP% for anyone, much less a big), so be it. But then, to take the argument to its most extreme conclusion, doesn't it hold that the reason that main reason Sikma, Reed, Cowens and Sabonis were successful at all to start with basketball is that they had a combination of height and agility that 99.9999% of the population will never approach? Just because Shaq represented some level beyond them is a ridiculous reason to have scorn for how he played.

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By: huevonkiller http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565&cpage=1#comment-50039 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:03:33 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565#comment-50039 You haven't addressed anything, various other metrics adjust for league average. The supposed rule changes you are so upset about.

Stop, you have no case.

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By: huevonkiller http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565&cpage=1#comment-50038 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:02:37 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565#comment-50038 Dude stop complaining your ideas are annoying, Wade gets called for a bunch of turnovers at a ridiculous rate. Higher than LeBron and Kobe, what is your excuse?

You can take 3 steps, people don't even know the rules. The NBA allows you to finish your dribble with a step, then take two more strides. It looks like traveling to a lot of uneducated people.

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By: sean http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565&cpage=1#comment-50029 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 11:46:34 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565#comment-50029 @ #7...

Yes, there are other examples. To ME, they are of a significantly LESS extreme level. The sharp elbows and push offs are not equal to Shaq's 'dribble/ slam' approach. Someone intimated that SHAQ was a victim of the rough stuff---and that's partly TRUE, as opponents fouled him HARD... but the Hack-a-Shaq defense came about AFTER the officials made it clear to opponents that Shaq was going to be permitted to slam into them with no repercussion until he was close enough to dunk on them. The NBA did a TERRIBLE (in your best Barkley)job officiating Shaq. The cop out by the apologists was: 'he's so hard to officiate because he's so big and strong'----which was bull----once Shaq was no longer needed as a torchbearer for the NBA, he stopped being 'allowed' to play that way. Her would refer to it as 'not being allowed to play his power game'--------of course it was just him being officiated properly. Wilt and Yao never acted like mentally deficient rhinos even though they were big-----and no official complained that they couldn't officiate them----those players never bowled people over illegally, so there was never the problem that Shaq presented. JMO.

With traveling, YES, the Ewing bunny hop is documented. The Iverson 'carry' spread like wildfire throughout the league. The NBA has looked the other way before as well as shamelessly tried to 'create more offense' by allowing rules violations (or changing things like moving the 3 point line IN)-----I also remember Parish taking shuffling little baby steps that nobody called. But IMO, LeBron's transgressions are far and away ther most obvious, ridiculous, 'advantageous to the transgressor' traveling violations I have seen REPEATEDLY ignored. He is the new torchbearer---and they're allowing him to mock the rules. He literally RUNS through the lane with the ball in both hands---when he's not hopping and mixing in horsey-gallop steps. It looks awful and the league office would probably be smart to stop it. You can't have your NBA's present day icon and challenger to the imaginary GOAT title be so obviously bogus. Everyone sees it. More and more people comment on it. Even Dr. Jack Ramsay last night with Mike Tirico. They all know he's traveling.

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By: cort http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565&cpage=1#comment-50012 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 04:08:37 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565#comment-50012 game 2 2011 might be your biggest collapse now. best way to beat miami is to get them to lose focus and play halfcourt offense - and they celebrated too soon when they got up 88-73. now they are in trouble and dissension and doubt may set in after blowing a 2-0 lead. i think dirk had the last 9 points by dallas. wow. incredible finish. i dont think the heat will continue to shoot that well outside and with the next 3 in dallas, mavs should at least be up 3-2 after the games in texas.

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By: cort http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565&cpage=1#comment-50011 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 03:48:21 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565#comment-50011 what a great comeback by dallas and dirk. two pretty lefty shots and a 3 in the final minute or so. marion wanted no part of the 3 on 1 fast break lol that tied it 90-90. that was the reverse of dallas blowing game 3 with a 2-0 lead in 2006. could really be the difference now with mavs going back home for 3 in a row. i bet cleveland is happy!

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By: cort http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565&cpage=1#comment-50010 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 03:46:50 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565#comment-50010 and the media gave shaq very positive coverage because he was quotable and entertaining. his last 2 all-star appearances, 2007 for miami and 2009 in phoenix, were basically late-career gifts that reflect a lack of quality centers in the league than his performance. 17 ppg and 7-8 rpg are nice numbers, but not all-star level when you cant move or play defense. shaq never learned how to even defend or help on pick and rolls. no lateral movement and he refused ot hedge out.

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By: cort http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565&cpage=1#comment-50009 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 03:36:18 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9565#comment-50009 shaq initiated the contact with his shoulder drop, sometimes with his elbows too. then he traveled - after a 3 second violation went uncalled. his skills were not well developed. put the international lane in and call him for offensive fouls, 3 seconds and traveling and he wouldnt even be a good NBA center. no shooting range, bad FT shooter, limited moves. but the NBA needed a big perosnality to sell after bird/johnson retired, right when shaq entered the league, other than jordan.
older centers that get little respect today like jack sikma, willis reed, dave cowens and arvydas sabonis were far more skilled than shaq. ewing was better too. shaq just ran over everybody until about 5 years ago when he ran out of gas, the refs quit giving him the calls and he was so out of shape. his only motivation was to beat kobe in rings but he helped ruin good teams in phoenix, cleveland and boston by being unusable and collecting fat paychecks while in severe decline and hurt a lot.
shaq is a funny guy, by most accounts pretty nice as far as NBA stars go and was entertaining, and he sold a lot of advertising time and jerseys, but he really was more of a cartoon character than a great player. plus his NUMEROUS self proclaimed nicknames bespoke of a pretty self absorbed attitude, basically an adolescent who needed constant attention. when someone that huge is not very mean or aggressive, people are just glad he doesnt run over them and treat him better than they should out of fear that he might get ticked off.
read tim donaghy's book. he talked about how shaq schmoozed the refs into taking the air out of the game ball before games to make his hard shot softer. donaghy says he spent a lot of time looking for women in the crowd before games instead of working on his skills. he really didnt have a lot of heart or competitiveness in the face of adversity. look at hopw many times his teams rolled over and got swept out of the playoffs. it was quite often. i bet his teams got swept as much or more than any big star ever.
oh and he was a good actor too lol.

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