Comments on: Win Shares and Aging

By: Roxana Behn

Roxana Behn — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:30:40 +0000

Review by A.J. for Apex JD2.2 Flat Bench
Rating:
This bench was easy to assemble, and, once put together, the bench was solid, i.e., it didn't wobble. The padding is good and the overall quality is good. The only downside I have seen from the bench so far is that it could use a wider base for doing exercises like dumbell flies... This could be considered a good thing, though: you have to use your core and bring the weights up evenly. This could also be due to that fact that the bench sits on thick carpeting. For $40 and free shipping, I have no complaints.

By: Adjustable Dumbbells

Adjustable Dumbbells — Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:28:04 +0000

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By: Chicago76

Chicago76 — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:29:11 +0000

Another possible explanation of the "guards losing it" is the potential pool of competition due to normal height distribution in the general population. There is a relatively large pool of =6'5" talent trying to fill the majority of an NBA team's roster at F-C. Once you make it as a regular in the league at F-C, the higher availability of roster spots and lower competition via height distribution means it is easier to hang on to those spots. For a guard, there were always be more competition via college PGs, SGs, and undersized forwards transitioning to shooting guard. It follows that turnover and decline would happen earlier at the guard position.

By: Johnny Twisto

Johnny Twisto — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:52:31 +0000

Fascinating MCT, I had no idea how unusual 15+ seasons was at the time nor how common it has become.

By: MCT

MCT — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:14:04 +0000

Some numbers that tie into Jason's point, but from a different angle: The 1983-84 season was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's 15th season in the NBA. At the time, he was one of only seven men to have played 15 seasons in the NBA/ABA. Today, there are 98 players who have done this. 1984-85 was Kareem's 16th NBA season. At the time, he was one of only four or five men to have played 16 seasons in the NBA/ABA, depending on how you define "NBA" (the others were Dolph Schayes, John Havlicek, Paul Silas and Elvin Hayes; Schayes only played 14 seasons in the NBA per se, but the NBA gave him credit for the season he played in the NBL before the NBL-BAA merger). Today, there are 57 players who have done this (58 counting Schayes). In 1985-86, Kareem played his 17th season in the NBA. He was the first man ever to play 17 seasons in the NBA/ABA. Today, 34 players have done this. I won't keep going year by year -- I'm sure you get the idea -- but Kareem was also the first man to play 18, 19 and 20 years. Today he is one of 17, 8 and 4 men, respectively, to have reached those stages of longevity (three players have one-upped Kareem by playing 21 years: Moses Malone, Robert Parish, and Kevin Willis). Some of this may be attributable to players entering the NBA at younger ages, but not all of it; Moses Malone aside, the trend began with players who entered the pros at a time when almost everyone played at least three years of college basketball, if not four. Note: in all cases above, years played totals reflect the number of seasons in which a player appeared in an NBA game. Kevin Willis was on an NBA roster in 22 different seasons, but he missed the entire 1988-89 season due to injury, so he only played in 21. I also know of at least two more pre-1984 players with a 15-year spread between their first and last NBA seasons -- Carl Braun and Dick Barnett -- but neither actually played 15 seasons in the NBA. Braun only played in the NBA/BAA for 13 seasons due to spending two years in the military service. Barnett is only credited for playing in the NBA for 14 seasons because he jumped for a year to the ABL, a short-lived early '60s attempt at challenging the NBA which is not generally recognized today as a major league.

By: Jason J

Jason J — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:21:41 +0000

It would be interesting to see how much that has changed over time. With the better training methods and diet, the improved shoes and equipment, and the easier travel, it seems like players have been able to hold it together better in their 30s since the 1990s. I'm thinking of Jordan, Stockton, Karl, Reggie, Porter, Barkley, H. Grant, Antonio and Dale Davis, Detlef... A lot of guys played pretty impressive ball into their mid-30s. It's possible that you might get a different result if you set your perameters to include only players drafted after 1980 (or something like that). Of course losing Kareem would set back the centers quite a bit!