Comments on: The Top 10 Shooting Guards of All Time (*according to statistical +/-)

By: fred f

fred f — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:20:54 +0000

i would just look at pts avg'ass avg reb//per game from 51 and on

By: Рубен

Рубен — Sat, 30 May 2009 09:41:18 +0000

Спасибо за такую хорошую возможность оставлять комментарии на этой странице!

By: Brendan

Brendan — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:58:47 +0000

Eddie Jones is my favorite recent player and I've watched him closely throughout his career. I was very pleased to see him on this list because his off-ball movement and subtle contributions to offense nearly complement his well-known defensive prowess. Funny thing about Eddie is that Kobe ushered him out of LA and everyone seemed to forget about his crucial years with the Lakers, a few where he was their go-to star. He had excellent follow-up years on weak Charlotte and Miami teams. I'm a Lakers fan and I've always fondly wondered what could have been had EJ stayed for the Phil era. Kobe would've been at small forward I bet and Phil would have LOVED EJ, since he's a big, defensive-oriented guard and a great inside-outside threat. Oh well, said the three-peat. I was also pleased to see Ray Allen who is a far defensive player man-to-man than given credit for. He's always been fodder for screens due to his size but he's more than just a proficient offensive player. I'd take him over Reggie Miller any day.

By: Ed

Ed — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:56:44 +0000

Am I the only one really surprised by how highly this metric rates Eddie Jones. I had no idea he was so good. I guess it's due to the per-minute TOs and steals. I'm also surprised there aren't as many dominant SGs as there are pretty much all other positions. Especially if PER (which correlates to this metric to what extent?) is supposed to overrate volume shooter/scorers. Interesting

By: Jason J

Jason J — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:45:10 +0000

Ryan - I'm dating myself here, but I remember that stretch of games where Doug moved Jordan to the point. If I recall correctly, it worked okay when Hodges was starting, but after he got hurt, they just couldn't pull anything together. It was sort of like Phili after Larry Brown left and Mutumbo & Hill lost their mojo. Yeah, AI could still do what he wanted, but with few shooters and not enough rebounders and defenders, it was a doomed effort. Chicago minus Oak & Craig and just didn't have the rebounding / defense / firepower to do much. Miraculously they got it together and still made the conference finals.

By: Ryan

Ryan — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:52:22 +0000

Jordan wasn't point guard for the entire '89 season, rather the home stretch run of something like 19 games if I remember correctly - the period in which he was on a triple double rampage. What's odd about that stretch is that they headed a 6 game losing streak (only twice did that happen in Jordan's career while playing, the other being with the Wizards) and saw their win percentage dwindle.

By: Eddy

Eddy — Sat, 28 Mar 2009 07:39:05 +0000

I agree that the Orlando Magic of the mid-90's weren't agile defenders by any means, but a number of players made up for some of their defensive deficiencies with their insane length. To the names being alluded to .. Nick Anderson, 6'6'' Anthony Bowie, 6'6'' Penny Hardaway, 6'7'' Brian Shaw, 6'6'' All, for the most part, guards. It was crazy, watching back at the time, how big the Magic lineups were. The smallest guy in the starting lineup, at that time, was Nick Anderson at 6'6'' .. smallest guy in the rotation was anyone on the Orlando roster who was 6'6''.

By: Steve Sailer

Steve Sailer — Sat, 28 Mar 2009 04:35:05 +0000

The year Jordan averaged 8.0 assists, he was specifically assigned to be "point guard," and then went back to "shooting guard" the next year. Phil Jackson brought a more fluid outlook.

By: Keith Ellis

Keith Ellis — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:19:43 +0000

A player's size or Assists don't make him nor disqualify him from being a Point Guard. If 6-3 Jerry West's height made him "like a two-guard" or "a bit tall" to be a Point Guard, where would that leave Oscar Robertson? Oscar & Jerry were both point guards, but for much of his career Jerry had to defer & let Elgin Baylor swallow the ball on half the possessions, something Big O didn't do for Lucas or Twyman, who were less prone to overdribbling & didn't have to show they were The Man as Elgin did on the Lakers. Remember 6-7 point guards Theus & Penny Hardaway? Pippen played Point for the revamped Bulls champs of 1996 thru 1998, after BJ Armstrong was shipped out & Michael "came back" to set the hired-gun standard for future Kobes. Pip gets PG minutes of 31, 26, and 32 mpg from StratOMatic during those three seasons. In Portland Pippen played primarily at the point in 2003 (20 of 30 mpg, the balance at small forward), but was a prime playmaker also in 2002, spelling Damon Stoudamire. So Scottie spent a third of his career at the point. Pippen & Paul Pressey were indeed a lot alike, especially when together with their significant others, MJ & Sidney Moncrief. Those four players could seamlessly defend at the 1-2-3 spots; Scottie for stretches could even look like a credible 4. When the Bulls added Ron Harper & Buechler to the mix they reminded a great deal of Nellie's midsizer-laden Milwaukee teams that featured Marques, BridgeMan, Rickey Pierce, & Jerry Reynolds the decade ahead of Jax' clubs. The Shaq Magic editions wandered toward this approach with Penny, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott, big Brian Shaw, and Anthony Bowie all swinging amongst the Trees, but those Magic men weren't agile defenders as the Bucks & Bulls were.

By: Jason J

Jason J — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:58:55 +0000

"If a guy produces a high rate of assists, I suspect he was a point guard. If he had a high rate of rebounding, I suspect he was either a power forward or a center. If he neither assisted nor rebounded, or only did a little of each, I suspect he was a 2 or a 3, differentiating he positions based on size." This is an interesting way to do it, though I have a feeling it may succeed better when dealing with average players than with the really great players. Jordan for instance led his team in assist % quite a few times (though the triangle kept it fairly even, he was the one drawing doubles and dumping down to Grant or kicking out to Paxson) before his first retirement. Drexler led his team in assist % on 4 or 5 occasions, once while playing next to an All-Star PG Porter. Larry Bird did the same. Wade & LeBron I'm sure fit the same bill and may never have missed leading their team in assist %. I wonder if finding a way to factor in both assist % and usage (and maybe turnover rate) would help to narrow things down a bit. That way a guy like Wade who gets the lion's share of assists would immediately be written off as a point guard because he shoots so much he's clearly got to be a scoring guard. I have a feeling that would clean up just about everybody except for your combo guards like Arenas who really do function as PGs despite taking the majority of their teams' shots. Obviously you don't need it for modern players, who you know already, but it's an interesting (to stat geeks) thing to look at.