Comments on: Team USA World Championship Extravaganza http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: DSMok1 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377&cpage=1#comment-24419 Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:43:54 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377#comment-24419 In general, I feel that the SPM and Oliver stats capture offense quite well (though adding location of assists and how often the player's shots are assisted would help). Defense is what is not captured so well, being limited to block%, steal%, and DRR%. I doubt setting screens and hockey assists are really a huge factor...

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By: Anon http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377&cpage=1#comment-24397 Tue, 14 Sep 2010 05:11:33 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377#comment-24397 Iggy has been shown plenty of love in the Oliver and SPM stats.

As for Odom, hockey assists are one of those things on basketball that don't occur often enough over a large enough sample size to be of importance to efficiency, at least compared to other offensive factors. Assists leading to the assist are certaintly important at times, but they can be overvalued and also cumbersome to track and assign appropriate credit for. Scorers have come under fire a little bit for being too generous with the DIRECT assist on a player's home court in recent years - I'd rather see them work on that instead for now.

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By: Dwight Howard http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377&cpage=1#comment-24390 Tue, 14 Sep 2010 01:18:10 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377#comment-24390 Adj/raw plus minus could clarify Odom and Iguodala's contributions, though it would be obviously really crude/noisy with this sample size. Unfortunately, it's really the only method that can capture things like playmaking, screening, non-gambling on ball defense, help defense, etc that Odom and Iguodala are really good at.

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By: Nick http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377&cpage=1#comment-24383 Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:46:21 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377#comment-24383 "Odom had basically 0 assists and 15%+ TOR, with a relatively low TS%."

Odom had basically 0 assists because of how basketball does assists. He had a whole lot of plays where he'd have gotten assists in hockey, and let's be clear: Odom was the one creating the offense on those plays.

Odom was not great in the group stages (true of a lot of Team USA, they all got better as they got more used to international rules, and the FIBA ball. They went from being called for traveling a couple times a quarter to not at all in the finals), but was excellent in the semi-finals and finals. Anyone who thought he didn't play well didn't watch the games.

Iggy was almost as good on D as Durant was on O. He shut down the other team's best player in every important game.

Of the guys who played in this tournament, I'd consider taking Durant, Iggy, Love, Odom and Westbrook to the Olympics over Miller, Jamison, Brand, Hinrich, and either Johnson or Battier. Only Durant would start, mind. Of course, new guys could come in, and you never know who will be healthy come 2012.

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By: Matt http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377&cpage=1#comment-24382 Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:09:06 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377#comment-24382 Just for fun indeed. When Shaq can find the time to launch 4 3 pointers in a limited amount of games, you know the competition is weak.

Odom, you have to remember, was constantly going against larger opponents on defense and offense. I think he played quite well and was probably 3rd most valuable behind Durant and Iggy on the team. Who would have thought he would have played so well pre-tournament holding down the center position the whole tourney?

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By: hj http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377&cpage=1#comment-24380 Mon, 13 Sep 2010 19:57:25 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377#comment-24380 What about DRtg relatively to tournaments average?
Or strengt of opponets? Because I feel that 2006 USA team had stronger opponets than 2010 (no Spain, Greece, Brazil, Serbia)

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By: Jason J http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377&cpage=1#comment-24376 Mon, 13 Sep 2010 19:29:38 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377#comment-24376 #5 - the SPM matches the stats. I guess my eyes deceived me while watching the games.

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By: DSMok1 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377&cpage=1#comment-24372 Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:44:01 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377#comment-24372 "Wow. Rose seemed to have a lot of positive impact on that team. I'm really surprised to see such a blowful SPM. Same with Lamar actually."

Rose had a very low TS%, 20+% TOR, and mediocre defensive stats. Odom had basically 0 assists and 15%+ TOR, with a relatively low TS%.

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By: Jason J http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377&cpage=1#comment-24371 Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:30:03 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377#comment-24371 Are the raw +/- figures available?

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By: Jason J http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377&cpage=1#comment-24365 Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:43:31 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7377#comment-24365 Wow. Rose seemed to have a lot of positive impact on that team. I'm really surprised to see such a blowful SPM. Same with Lamar actually.

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