Comments on: BBR News: MVP Award Tracker http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Kirk http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898&cpage=1#comment-13121 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:07:54 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898#comment-13121 Looking at the standings today (Nov. 9), it seems that the amount of games the player played doesn't factor into the tracker (or at least not enough). Bynum's hot start has him in 4th place, but he's missed 2 out of the 7 Laker games. It seems fairly improbable that voters would put Bynum so high if the data so far projects out to a 82 game season.

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By: MCT http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898&cpage=1#comment-13117 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:43:31 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898#comment-13117 I was curious about the two "na" entires under the predicted winners (Neil Johnston in 1956, and Wilt Chamberlain in 1969):

--1956 was the first year that the MVP award existed. Johnston did not receive any MVP votes at all, but the voting system used in 1956 and 1957 appears to have been very different from that used in almost every year since then, which it makes it hard to draw a good comparison to later years. In 1956 and 1957, voters simply chose one player, rather than voting for first/second/third place etc. In 1956, only eight players received votes, and Johnston was not one of them. But in modern terms, Johnston essentially didn't get any first-place votes. It's interesting that no one voted for him, but it's impossible to say where he would have finished under a modern-style voting system. I suspect he wouldn't have gone completely voteless.

--Between 1965-66 and 1971-72, the MVP voting records on this web site only list the top five, even though the voting system in use during that era almost certainly resulted in more than five players getting votes. (I'm not sure if the top five is all that the NBA publicly released back in that era, or if somewhere along the line someone compiled the top five for some reference source and that's all that is readily available today.) As a result, all that we can really say about Wilt in '69 is that he wasn't in the Top 5. He probably did receive some votes.

Based on the factors that voters seem to place the most weight on, 1969 has both one of the most unlikely winners and one of the most overlooked predicted winners. It must have been a strange MVP race; I'm guessing that there were just no obvious candidates.

Another year that jumps out at me is 1975. You often hear that Rick Barry should have won that year, but was denied due to his unpopularity. According to this methodology, it looks like McAdoo was a more likely choice than Barry, and Dave Cowens even more likely than either of them. Golden State's relatively unimpressive regular-season record (48 wins) is probably pulling Barry down. The same principle also likely explains why Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in 1976 and Moses Malone in 1982 are among the most unlikely MVPs. Both put up monster seasons playing for teams that were on the playoff bubble down to the wire (the '82 Rockets just barely squeaked in; the '76 Lakers missed the postseason, though that was due as much to a quirk in the seeding rules in use in '70s as to anything else, as they had a better record than two of the five Western Conference teams that qualified).

IINM, the voting was done by players up until around 1980, then changed to members of the media. From the table above, it doesn't look like this change had much of an effect on the predicted results. Rick Barry and Steve Nash aside, the pre-1980 and post-1980 portions of the chart don't really look much different.

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By: Brendan http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898&cpage=1#comment-13112 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:00:14 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898#comment-13112 This seems like a formula for who actually should have won MVP.

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By: Robert August de Meijer http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898&cpage=1#comment-13100 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:26:13 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898#comment-13100 I have been recently reading Bill Simmons' The Book of Basketball and he often states a player's Points, Rebounds, Assists and Wins when comparing players' candicy for MVP status. Although we all know there is so much more than just these four statistics, it does seem to have a great impact on discussions. Being a fan of the advance statistics found on this website, I am somewhat appalled by this formula's popularity.

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By: joe http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898&cpage=1#comment-13061 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:51:43 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898#comment-13061 hey that s a cool tool to follow the MVP race

one suggestion might be that you limit it no more than two people per team to more
otherwise i think the top ten gets a little crowded with people from the same high win squad
having carmello on there makes sense
chauncey, not as much, but maybe
kenyon? no way

same with boston

i think this would more accurately reflect the mvp race cause 99 times out of 100 it is going to go to a team's top dog (scorer) maybe not, if they are balanced, other guy is very strong in other areas, but i think it would be really very rare for it to go to the third guy down the line, even on teams with a "big three'

anyway nice work!

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By: Walter http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898&cpage=1#comment-13058 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:58:10 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898#comment-13058 Interesting observation: Steve Nash won the award twice despite the model not showing him as even a top 3 candidate. He won it once with ranking of 7th!!!!

I will forever argue that Nash did not deserve either of those awards (I would have given it to him in 2007 though as he deserved it that season). I thought Shaq should have won in 2005 and Kobe in 2006.

Neil, could you list the modeled results for the top 5 from 2005, 2006, and 2007?

I think it is obsurd that Nash will finish with two MVP's while never getting to the finals, let alone winning a ring, while Kobe and Shaq, who were more dominant at their peaks and over a longer time span, won at least 4 titles each, and made six finals appearances, will each only be a one-time winner.

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By: Aaron W. http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898&cpage=1#comment-13057 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:14:41 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898#comment-13057 Good formula. Should be interesting to see how things turn out this year.

Sorry for the generic response, but it's just the facts.

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By: Jason J http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898&cpage=1#comment-13056 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:46:47 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898#comment-13056 The Johnny Twisto Uncertainty Principle!

This is a pretty cool feature. Looks like Wins is the highest-weighted factor.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898&cpage=1#comment-13055 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:39:11 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3898#comment-13055 Of course, by creating this model, you are now changing future history. Henceforth, voters will subtly, subconsciously change their voting habits to avoid seeming so predictable and/or controlled by a formula.

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