Comments on: The Virtual 1980s Cleveland Cavaliers, Part II http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=659 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Biros http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=659&cpage=1#comment-18323 Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:46:17 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=659#comment-18323 cool picsxxx

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By: MCT http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=659&cpage=1#comment-8386 Tue, 30 Dec 2008 04:38:22 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=659#comment-8386 Two things to keep in mind: First, if the Cavaliers were better than they actually were in real life, their draft picks would have been lower, and they may not have realistically been able to get some of the players selected with their original draft positions. This is alluded to in the article with regard to the '82 team still having the worst record in the league and thus still being in position to get James Worthy. For '83 it doesn't matter, as the pick Cleveland traded to Dallas that year -- which ended up being Derek Harper -- wasn't actually their own (they had traded their own pick away years earlier, before Stepien was even on the scene). I'm not sure how you're going to handle this for future years. Unrealistic as it is, it may be simplest to assume that Cleveland was somehow able to get the same players chosen with their real-life draft positions, on grounds that figuring out which players they likely would have actually drafted is just too speculative.

Second, because Stepien had traded away so many picks, the Cavaliers' new owners were allowed to buy a bonus first round pick in the 1983, 1984, 1985 and 1986 drafts -- note that there 24 first round picks in those years, even though there were only 23 teams. The '83 pick was tacked onto the end of the round (#24), the '84 pick was in the exact middle of the round (#12), and the '85 and '86 picks were slotted immediately after the position of the Cavs' original picks (#9 and #8[*]). The Cavaliers used these picks to select Stewart Granger, Tim McCormick (rights traded on draft day in deal in which rights to Mel Turpin were acquired instead), Charles Oakley, and Ron Harper. Absent Stepien's pillaging of the franchise's future draft picks, Cleveland never would have had access to these picks, and probably would not have been able to get any of these players. At the very least, even if we're suspending disbelief and assuming that Cleveland was somehow able to get the same players they got with their real-life draft positions, they could have gotten either the players taken with their own pick or the player taken with the bonus pick, but not both (e.g., Tarpley or Harper in '86, but not both of them).

Note that the above issues don't impact every first round pick during this period. As already noted, the Cavaliers theoretically should have been able to get James Worthy and Derek Harper even with the changes to history that you've made. Roy Hinson and Brad Daugherty were likewise selected with picks acquired in trades which don't appear to be dependent on anything that's been changed.

[*]A side note: The draft lottery was started in 1985. Cleveland made the playoffs that year -- just barely -- but they were in the lottery in '86. Their original '86 pick, which they had traded to Dallas, ended up being the final pick of the lottery, so they had the next pick after the lottery. I'm not sure how things would have been handled had Cleveland's original pick ended up higher in the lottery in either of those years. In other words, did Cleveland pick immediately after the lottery in '86 because that happened to be one slot after their pick, or were they locked into that position no matter how high their pick ended up? If the pick had ended up #1, would they have picked #2, or still #8? I don't know the answer to this.

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