Comments on: Who’s the NBA’s Worst Offensive Player? (or, Some Jason Collins Numbers From 2009)

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By: Jason J

Jason J — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:39:48 +0000

My overwhelming memory of Collins will always be the horrible beating he was subjected to along with Todd MacCulloch and Aaron Williams, at the elbows of Shaquille in finals. The refs allowed Shaq to completely brutalize those three. Collins didn't back down, but like everybody else, he got bulldozed.

By: Rashidi

Rashidi — Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:21:08 +0000

I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster. Team philosophy and strength does affect statistics. Collins is a great fit on a team where all five guys are playing defense, but a terrible fit on a team like Memphis where NOBODY is playing defense except reserves Greg Buckner and Quinton Ross (who also uncoincidentally appear on the worst 2009 PER list). The Hawks have a defensive mindset and are much better than the Grizz or Wolves offensively as well. If Collins has another bad year despite playing for a playoff team, it'll be his last in the league. It's also worth noting that Randolph Morris didn't qualify for this analysis. Collins is a definite upgrade as far as a 3rd center goes. He at least provides the mystical "veteran presence" that is valued on playoff teams.

By: Ben

Ben — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 23:37:50 +0000

I'm a nets fan and support collins still to this day. These stats don't prove anything at all. The rebounding statistics doesn't show how many times he boxes his man out for his other teammates to grab the rebound. Does it show how many screens he gives that are perfectly executed no. And to top it off he doesn't even shoot the ball that much on offense so that's not killing the team either. Last 2 years his +- hasn't been as good because he has been on HORRIBLE TEAMS! The Grizzlies, Twolves give me a break how can his plus minus be good if he is on bad teams. Now he is on a good team i guarentee his plus minus will be better.

By: Neil Paine

Neil Paine — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 20:23:38 +0000

Oh no, it's definitely not a shock, seeing as how the majority of NBA GMs don't even last 5 years in their job before being fired. Just a thought, but maybe if they invested more in these "obscure stats" (ones that correlate highly to winning, btw), they might stay employed longer...

By: Bobbo

Bobbo — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:21:45 +0000

This may shock you, but not all GM's are as invested in obscure stats as you are. Jason Collins has made more that $30 million in his career...and in spite of all this data entry work, he is still getting paid in his ninth year...$1.3 million this season.

By: J.D. Hastings

J.D. Hastings — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 19:57:35 +0000

I guess I owe Kwame Brown an apology. I'm shocked he didn't show up in here at all. Scary to think that Memphis once fielded a frontline of Collins, Kwame and Darko Milicic. Maybe they traded for the first 2 just to artificially inflate Darko's +/-? But for Brook Lopez and I guess Josh Childress, the nba's all Stanford team from the past 10 years is a bit of a wasteland. Though I'd say that's a reason for players to go to Stanford because players from there are able to eek out inexplicably long careers despite a lack of talent (see also Madsen, Mark; Collins, Jarrod, and to a lesser extent Knight, Brevin).

By: Jason J

Jason J — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:10:37 +0000

What's really staggering to me is the rebound percentage. Pretty much everyone else on that list is a perimeter big. The reason they miss out on rebounds is built into the area where they have success. But Collins has absolutely no success as a shooter either, so he's not losing rebounds because of playing a role as a spacer / scorer.

By: Neil Paine

Neil Paine — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:00:27 +0000

Ha, what can you say, I guess this is my way of rolling out the welcome mat for him. But at least I said that there used to be a time when I appreciated his play. There are some players I've always thrown under the bus...

By: Sean Forman

Sean Forman — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:55:46 +0000

Neil, don't you live in Atlanta? Are you sure you want to throw one of its newest residents under the bus so thoroughly? :)