Career Win Shares: 6th all-time for point guards
Win Shares per 48: 7th all-time for point guards
PER: 5th all-time for point guards
Offensive Win Shares: 4th all time for point guards

82games.com has Nash near or in the top 10 in Roland ratings 5 of the past 6 seasons (2007 still in the top 20)
B-Value.com has Nash 2nd in the league in 2 year adjusted +/- behind James

SPM has Nash behind Mookie Blaylock, Fat Lever, and Derek Harper. "One of these things is not like the other..."

It looks to me like the much maligned subjective criteria that loves Nash (2 MVPs, 7 All-Star games, 7-time 1st, 2nd, or 3rd All-NBA team member), etc. are closer to the meat and majority of sabermetric data out there than SPM is to the rest of the sabermetric data.

Maybe it is time to recognize that sabermetrics love Nash too.

Not to compare Zeke to Magic (which is ludicrous - Magic is a legit GOAT candidate & a consensus pick as the best PG ever), but all kinds of factors add up to determining a player's final stats.

It is an assist to drop it into Kareem and watch him swing a skyhook in over a perfectly positioned defender. Did you do anything besides make a nice entry pass? No. But you get that assist. Is it an assist to drive the lane, draw two defenders, and give Rick Mahorn an easy tip in as your floater comes off the rim? Not only is it not an assist, even though you did positive work creating the scoring opportunity for your teammate, but it negatively impacts your stats because it is a missed shot.

Again, Magic >>>>> Isiah, but this sudden belief that metrics tell us what happened is wrong. Metrics tell us the end results - sometimes - not why or how.

But my main point remains my first post (#2 above). It makes no sense to conjecture that Isiah hit a statistical production wall at age 25 and then call him an overrated hack because his numbers don't match up well. It makes a ton of sense to credit his lower stat production to team goals when you remember that he adjusted his game and the pace of the team to accommodate super efficient one on one scorer Adrian Dantley (later replaced by highly efficient one on one scorer Mark Aguire) when Dantley replaced wing runner / jump shooter / defensive liability Kelly Tripucka as the team's first option.

Oh, and to whoever said that Isiah outplayed Magic in the finals... did you know Magic had two leg injuries and barely played in that series? Only suited up for 3 of them and averaged 25 minutes.

More poor reading comprehension: I explained pretty clearly why Win-shares are subjective. Let me dumb it down for you: points, rebounds and assists are real objective stats (as I said before!), win-shares and per take real stats, and weight them SUBJECTIVELY in order to come up with a rating. Deciding the relative value of different stats and adding them up together in one all-purpose number is a subjective process masquerading as an objective one.

Finally, there's one major problem with your attempt to compare Dumars to those other great second-fiddles: Kareem, Malone, Pippen and Mchale were all great defenders too. So the fact that Joe D was a great defender doesn't close the huge gap between them.

Spare me! Just because he didn't shoot every trip down the floor like Kobe it doesn't mean he wasn't the most valuable player in those years. He made that team - look at how Marion has been since he got traded. He went from an All-Star with Nash to an average NBA starter without the open shots he got from playing with a great point. And hes just one of the teammates Nash made better.