Layups: Behind the Scenes with Ty Lawson
Posted by Neil Paine on October 23, 2009
I'm not a huge fan of the reality genre, but I make exceptions for shows based on current athletes, which is why this new Ty Lawson series could be interesting:
The general consensus from us stat folks is that Lawson -- at #18 overall -- could go down as the steal of the draft (thanks, Dean Oliver!), so I'm pretty interested in how well he makes that transition from college stardom to the NBA, since the metrics say he should probably have been taken ahead of Flynn & Holiday.
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:20 pm
As a Knick fan it's so painful to think we could easily have had Ty Lawson and Dejuan Blair and ended up with Jordan Hill and Toney Douglas.
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:24 pm
I'm not a scout or anything, but do you even need a metric to suggest that Ty Lawson should go ahead of Flynn & Holiday? I wasn't necessarily shocked he fell so far in the draft, but I was surprised by how many PGs went ahead of him.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
What metric is used to say how Lawson will translate to the NBA? And where do the other PGs (Brandon Jennings) fall in relation to that?
October 25th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Neil,
I'd be very interested to know who exactly fits into the category of "us" when you say,
"The general consensus from us stat folks is that Lawson -- at #18 overall -- could go down as the steal of the draft,"
If you could please list those names, in addition to Dean Oliver, I'd sincerely appreciate it.
From my POV, I'll go on record now by saying that, when all is said and done, Ty Lawson will NOT be thought of as the steal of the 2009 NBA Draft.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
John Hollinger had Blake Griffin and Ty Lawson in a virtual tie by a large margin over the rest in his draft ratings. I don't do college ratings anymore but I would bet Ty's scoring stats in college such as shooting percentages were excellent. Hollinger has exposed some real gems in his draft ratings (Thaddeus Young & Marreese Speights recently)- and he keeps improving on them.
October 25th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Erich Doerr at Draft Express and David Berri of the Wages of Wins also had great things to say about Lawson. I doubt there was any statistically focused analyst who didn't think Lawson should have been drafted much higher actually.
October 27th, 2009 at 9:21 am
At this early point in their careers, the players who look like they might have a significant upside in the NBA over the long haul, above their actual order/position in the Draft, include [at least] the following names [identified in bold]:
2009 NBA DRAFT
1 L.A. Clippers Blake Griffin PF, 6-10, 248 Oklahoma
2 Memphis Grizzlies Hasheem Thabeet C, 7-3, 267 Connecticut
3 Oklahoma City Thunder James Harden PG, 6-5, 222 Arizona State
4 Sacramento Kings Tyreke Evans PG, 6-6, 220 Memphis
5 Minnesota Timberwolves
(from Washington) Ricky Rubio PG, 6-3, 180 Spain/DKV Joventut
6 Minnesota Timberwolves Jonny Flynn PG, 6-0, 196 Syracuse
7 Golden State Warriors Stephen Curry PG, 6-3, 181 Davidson
8 New York Knicks Jordan Hill PF, 6-10, 235 Arizona
9 Toronto Raptors DeMar DeRozan SG, 6-7, 211 Southern California
10 Milwaukee Bucks Brandon Jennings G, 6-1, 170 Lottomatica Roma/Italy
11 New Jersey Nets Terrence Williams SF, 6-6, 213 Louisville
12 Charlotte Bobcats Gerald Henderson SG, 6-5, 215 Duke
13 Indiana Pacers Tyler Hansbrough PF, 6-9, 234 North Carolina
14 Phoenix Suns Earl Clark SF, 6-10, 226 Louisville
15 Detroit Pistons Austin Daye PF, 6-11, 192 Gonzaga
16 Chicago Bulls James Johnson SF, 6-8, 257 Wake Forest
17 Philadelphia 76ers Jrue Holiday PG, 6-4, 185 UCLA
18 Minnesota Timberwolves
(from Miami) Ty Lawson
(traded to Denver) PG, 6-0, 197 North Carolina
19 Atlanta Hawks Jeff Teague PG, 6-1, 175 Wake Forest
20 Utah Jazz Eric Maynor PG, 6-3, 164 Virginia Commonwealth
21 New Orleans Hornets Darren Collison PG, 6-1, 166 UCLA
22 Portland Trail Blazers
(from Dallas) Victor Claver PF, 6-9, 224 Pamesa Valencia/Spain
23 Sacramento Kings
(from Houston) Omri Casspi SF, 6-9, 211 Maccabi Tel Aviv/ Israel
24 Dallas Mavericks
(from Portland) B.J. Mullens
(traded to Okla. City) C, 7-1, 258 Ohio State
25 Oklahoma City Thunder
(from San Antonio) Rodrigue Beaubois
(traded to Dallas) PG, 6-2, 182 Cholet Basket/France
26 Chicago Bulls
(from Denver) Taj Gibson PF, 6-10, 214 Southern California
27 Memphis Grizzlies
(from Orlando) DeMarre Carroll SF, 6-7, 207 Missouri
28 Minnesota Timberwolves
(from Boston) Wayne Ellington SG, 6-5, 202 North Carolina
29 L.A. Lakers Toney Douglas
(traded to New York) PG, 6-2, 183 Florida State
30 Cleveland Cavaliers Christian Eyenga SF, 6-5, 210 DKV Joventut/Congo
31 Sacramento Kings Jeff Pendergraph
(traded to Portland) PF, 6-10, 240 Arizona State
32 Washington Wizards Jermaine Taylor
(traded to Houston) SG, 6-4, 207 Central Florida
33 Portland Trail Blazers
(from L.A. Clippers) Dante Cunningham PF, 6-8, 227 Villanova
34 Denver Nuggets
(from Oklahoma City) Sergio Llull
(traded to Houston) PG, 6-2, 180 Real Madrid/Spain
35 Detroit Pistons
(from Minnesota) DaJuan Summers SF, 6-9, 243 Georgetown
36 Memphis Grizzlies Sam Young SF, 6-7, 223 Pittsburgh
37 San Antonio Spurs DeJuan Blair SF, 6-7, 277 Pittsburgh
38 Portland Trail Blazers Jon Brockman
(traded to Sacramento) PF, 6-7, 255 Washington
39 Detroit Pistons
(from Toronto) Jonas Jerebko PF, 6-8, 231 Sweden
40 Charlotte Bobcats
(from New Jersey) Derrick Brown PF, 6-8, 225 Xavier
41 Milwaukee Bucks Jodie Meeks SG, 6-4, 211 Kentucky
42 L.A. Lakers
(from Charlotte) Patrick Beverley
(traded to Miami) PG, 6-1, 172 Ukraine
43 Miami Heat
(from Indiana) Marcus Thornton
(traded to New Orleans) SG, 6-3, 194 LSU
44 Detroit Pistons Chase Budinger
(traded to Houston) PF, 6-7, 206 Arizona
45 Minnesota Timberwolves
(from Philadelphia) Nick Calathes SG, 6-6, 194 Florida
46 Cleveland Cavaliers
(from Chicago) Danny Green SF, 6-6, 208 North Carolina
47 Minnesota Timberwolves
(from Miami) Henk Norel PF, 6-10, 230 DKV Joventut/Netherlands
48 Phoenix Suns Taylor Griffin SF, 6-7, 238 Oklahoma
49 Atlanta Hawks Sergey Gladyr SG, 6-5, 190 Ukraine
50 Utah Jazz Goran Suton C, 6-10, 245 Michigan State
51 San Antonio Spurs
(from New Orleans) Jack McClinton PG, 6-0, 185 Miami (Fla.)
52 Indiana Pacers
(from Dallas) A.J. Price SG, 6-2, 193 Connecticut
53 San Antonio Spurs
(from Houston) Nando De Colo SG, 6-5, 190 Cholet Basket/France
54 Charlotte Bobcats
(from San Antonio) Robert Vaden
(traded to Oklahoma City) SG, 6-5, 205 Alabama-Birmingham
55 Portland Trail Blazers
(from Denver) Patrick Mills PG, 6-0, 165 St. Mary's (Calif.)
56 Dallas Mavericks
(from Portland) Ahmad Nivins PF, 6-9, 235 St. Joseph's (Pa.)
57 Phoenix Suns
(from Orlando) Emir Preldzic PF, 6-9, 205 Bosnia and Herzegovina
58 Boston Celtics Lester Hudson SG, 6-2, 190 Tennessee-Martin
59 L.A. Lakers Chinemelu Elonu PF, 6-10, 235 Texas A&M
60 Miami Heat
(from Cleveland) Robert Dozier PF, 6-9, 215 Memphis
There are a whole swack of cats who should not be ruled out, just yet, as possible candidates for the designation of "steal of the 2009 NBA Draft".
October 28th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Neil,
Was there a problem of some sort with the question I asked earlier?
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I'd be very interested to know who exactly fits into the category of "us" when you say,
"The general consensus from us stat folks is that Lawson -- at #18 overall -- could go down as the steal of the draft,"
If you could please list those names, in addition to Dean Oliver, I'd sincerely appreciate it.
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I would very much like to know the answer to this question.
Thanks, in advance.