Paul’s Place In the Small-Guard Pantheon
Posted by Neil Paine on October 7, 2009
Chris Paul's new children's book, "Long Shot: Never Too Small to Dream Big," is about how a young CP3 was able to overcome his short stature to become an NBA superstar. It's a feel-good story for the whole family, I'm sure, but it also begs the question: where does Paul stand among the great small guards of all time?
According to official records, CP3 stands at an even six feet tall, although as is usual with height measurements, there's wiggle room -- he measured a somewhat generous 6'1" at the pre-Draft camp in 2005, but in bare feet he supposedly checks in at 5'11" ¾ or smaller. He even refers to himself as a "small 5-11, 6-0 regular guy," all of which is to say that CP3 isn't like one of those 7-footers (*cough* KG) who weirdly claims to be shorter than he actually is; he's legitimately one of the smallest men in the NBA:
NBA's Shortest Players, 2009 | ||||
Player | Ht | Tm | G | MP |
---|---|---|---|---|
Nate Robinson | 69 | NYK | 74 | 2209 |
Brevin Knight | 70 | UTA | 74 | 938 |
Chucky Atkins | 71 | TOT | 32 | 413 |
Speedy Claxton | 71 | ATL | 2 | 15 |
D.J. Augustin | 72 | CHA | 72 | 1908 |
Jose Barea | 72 | DAL | 79 | 1600 |
Aaron Brooks | 72 | HOU | 80 | 1998 |
Dee Brown | 72 | TOT | 19 | 261 |
Will Bynum | 72 | DET | 57 | 803 |
T.J. Ford | 72 | IND | 74 | 2258 |
Eddie Gill | 72 | MIL | 6 | 43 |
Allen Iverson | 72 | TOT | 57 | 2093 |
Kyle Lowry | 72 | TOT | 77 | 1679 |
Tyronn Lue | 72 | TOT | 44 | 521 |
Jameer Nelson | 72 | ORL | 42 | 1309 |
Chris Paul | 72 | NOH | 78 | 3002 |
Sean Singletary | 72 | TOT | 37 | 303 |
Sebastian Telfair | 72 | MIN | 75 | 2095 |
Clearly he's the best player in that group by a wide margin, but how does he stack up to the other great 6'0"-and-under guards of the past? Here are the best seasons (Win Shares-wise) by members of the 72-inches-or-less set in NBA/ABA history:
Rk | Player | Ht | Season | Age | Tm | Lg | G | MP | WS |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Chris Paul | 72 | 2008-09 | 23 | NOH | NBA | 78 | 3002 | 17.5 |
2 | Chris Paul | 72 | 2007-08 | 22 | NOH | NBA | 80 | 3006 | 17.3 |
3 | Tim Hardaway | 72 | 1996-97 | 30 | MIA | NBA | 81 | 3136 | 12.6 |
4 | Allen Iverson | 72 | 2007-08 | 32 | DEN | NBA | 82 | 3424 | 12.6 |
5 | Kenny Anderson | 72 | 1996-97 | 26 | POR | NBA | 82 | 3081 | 12.5 |
6 | Dana Barros | 71 | 1994-95 | 27 | PHI | NBA | 82 | 3318 | 12.4 |
7 | Mookie Blaylock | 72 | 1996-97 | 29 | ATL | NBA | 78 | 3056 | 12.1 |
8 | Allen Iverson | 72 | 2000-01 | 25 | PHI | NBA | 71 | 2979 | 11.7 |
9 | Bobby Wanzer* | 72 | 1951-52 | 30 | ROC | NBA | 66 | 2498 | 11.5 |
10 | Terrell Brandon | 71 | 1995-96 | 25 | CLE | NBA | 75 | 2570 | 11.4 |
11 | Tim Hardaway | 72 | 1997-98 | 31 | MIA | NBA | 81 | 3031 | 11.4 |
12 | Mark Price | 72 | 1988-89 | 24 | CLE | NBA | 75 | 2728 | 11.0 |
13 | Allen Iverson | 72 | 2005-06 | 30 | PHI | NBA | 72 | 3103 | 10.9 |
14 | Mack Calvin | 72 | 1972-73 | 25 | CAR | ABA | 84 | 2228 | 10.7 |
15 | Tim Hardaway | 72 | 1990-91 | 24 | GSW | NBA | 82 | 3215 | 10.5 |
16 | Chris Paul | 72 | 2005-06 | 20 | NOK | NBA | 78 | 2808 | 10.2 |
Well, there you go -- CP3 owns the two best -- and three of the top 16 -- seasons by a little guy in pro basketball history. And how about career rankings?
Rk | Player | Ht | From | To | Lg | G | MP | WS |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Allen Iverson | 72 | 1997 | 2009 | NBA | 886 | 36719 | 99.9 |
2 | Tim Hardaway | 72 | 1990 | 2003 | NBA | 867 | 30626 | 85.8 |
3 | Calvin Murphy* | 69 | 1971 | 1983 | NBA | 1002 | 30607 | 83.0 |
4 | Louie Dampier | 72 | 1968 | 1979 | TOT | 960 | 32201 | 74.8 |
5 | Mookie Blaylock | 72 | 1990 | 2002 | NBA | 889 | 31026 | 70.8 |
6 | Mark Price | 72 | 1987 | 1998 | NBA | 722 | 21560 | 69.1 |
7 | Terrell Brandon | 71 | 1992 | 2002 | NBA | 724 | 21545 | 63.0 |
8 | Kenny Anderson | 72 | 1992 | 2005 | NBA | 858 | 25868 | 62.7 |
9 | Mack Calvin | 72 | 1970 | 1981 | TOT | 755 | 21593 | 61.8 |
10 | David Wesley | 72 | 1994 | 2007 | NBA | 949 | 30272 | 61.5 |
11 | Avery Johnson | 70 | 1989 | 2004 | NBA | 1054 | 26615 | 56.5 |
12 | Freddie Lewis | 72 | 1967 | 1977 | TOT | 750 | 24924 | 54.9 |
13 | Damon Stoudamire | 70 | 1996 | 2008 | NBA | 878 | 29106 | 54.8 |
14 | Muggsy Bogues | 63 | 1988 | 2001 | NBA | 889 | 25429 | 54.3 |
15 | Chris Paul | 72 | 2006 | 2009 | NBA | 300 | 11169 | 53.7 |
15th is extremely impressive, seeing as how Paul has only been in the league for 4 seasons! Finally, while I don't usually use PER to evaluate players, in honor of CP3 ranking first in John Hollinger's preseason PER projections, here are your top small players ever by career PER (minimum 10,000 MP):
Rk | Player | Ht | From | To | Lg | G | MP | PER |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Chris Paul | 72 | 2006 | 2009 | NBA | 300 | 11169 | 25.8 |
2 | Allen Iverson | 72 | 1997 | 2009 | NBA | 886 | 36719 | 21.1 |
3 | Terrell Brandon | 71 | 1992 | 2002 | NBA | 724 | 21545 | 19.7 |
4 | Mark Price | 72 | 1987 | 1998 | NBA | 722 | 21560 | 19.6 |
5 | Tim Hardaway | 72 | 1990 | 2003 | NBA | 867 | 30626 | 18.6 |
6 | Calvin Murphy* | 69 | 1971 | 1983 | NBA | 1002 | 30607 | 18.0 |
7 | Mack Calvin | 72 | 1970 | 1981 | TOT | 755 | 21593 | 17.4 |
8 | Bobby Wanzer* | 72 | 1952 | 1957 | NBA | 373 | 12128 | 17.1 |
9 | Mookie Blaylock | 72 | 1990 | 2002 | NBA | 889 | 31026 | 16.8 |
10 | Michael Adams | 70 | 1986 | 1996 | NBA | 653 | 20446 | 16.6 |
11 | Kenny Anderson | 72 | 1992 | 2005 | NBA | 858 | 25868 | 16.4 |
12 | Dana Barros | 71 | 1990 | 2004 | NBA | 850 | 19480 | 16.4 |
13 | Darrell Armstrong | 72 | 1995 | 2008 | NBA | 840 | 19914 | 16.3 |
14 | Earl Boykins | 65 | 1999 | 2008 | NBA | 520 | 10874 | 15.9 |
15 | Kevin Porter | 72 | 1973 | 1983 | NBA | 659 | 19107 | 15.6 |
16 | Dick McGuire* | 72 | 1952 | 1960 | NBA | 606 | 17170 | 15.5 |
17 | Damon Stoudamire | 70 | 1996 | 2008 | NBA | 878 | 29106 | 15.4 |
18 | Rickey Green | 72 | 1978 | 1992 | NBA | 946 | 23271 | 15.3 |
19 | Louie Dampier | 72 | 1968 | 1979 | TOT | 960 | 32201 | 15.2 |
20 | Sherman Douglas | 72 | 1990 | 2001 | NBA | 765 | 21148 | 15.1 |
October 7th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
if you set the height limit to 6' 5" he's still one of the absolute best.
His '09 WS is second only Oscar's in '64.
His '09 PER is second only to Wade's in '09. (I set game limits of at least 41 played and minutes limits of at least 24 per game to keep guys who played 6 amazing minutes in 1972 off the list - dangers of a per / minute metric).
The kid is a stat machine. He scores well on great shooting, racks up assists like crazy, gets to line, keeps his turnovers down and his steals up. What more could you ask for in a PG?
October 7th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
What impresses me most about Paul is his rebounding. He puts up some incredible numbers for a guy around 6 foot tall. His numbers are comparable to many that are 6-7 inches taller than him.
October 7th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
it's a good point. By rebound percentage Paul was a better rebounder than Kobe last year, not that a network analyst would mention it.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Hot off the press:
http://sonicscentral.com/apbrmetrics/viewtopic.php?t=505
October 12th, 2009 at 1:08 am
Why are we all of a sudden ranking a player by a cumulative stat that relies extensively on the overall performance of the 4 other guys on the court with him at the time, in order to maximize the ceiling for the stat?
Constant comparison throughout last season of '09 LeBron to '88 Jordan based on PER... though I've yet to see anybody note his 20.3WS (> LeBron's 19.8), despite his team winning 16 less games.